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26 Jul 2022, 11:26 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:

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I wish they would simply arrest Trump, try him, convict him, sentence him, incarcerate him, and get it over with.

Me too, if that's what's going to happen. I've been waiting for six years for it. I don't quite understand why I seem to be the only one who's dejected over six years of investigations and hearings getting nowhere.

You are not the only one.

Then why am I getting so much flack for expressing it?

Because you seem to be playing "Devil's Advocate" in Trump's favor.

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26 Jul 2022, 11:43 am

Fnord wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

Fnord wrote:

I wish they would simply arrest Trump, try him, convict him, sentence him, incarcerate him, and get it over with.

You are not the only one.

Then why am I getting so much flack for expressing it?

Because you seem to be playing "Devil's Advocate" in Trump's favor.

Oh okay, thanks for letting me know that, since I was completely unaware of it.

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26 Jul 2022, 4:23 pm

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From my perspective as someone who has religiously watched the latest of six years of hearings, you don't seem to be able to name one thing Trump is going to be indicted for. I mean you're the "expert" and you don't seem to know squat outside of anecdotes.

No-one is in a position yet to name or bring criminal charges, and that includes the Jan 6 Commission. The mountain of evidence is still growing.

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26 Jul 2022, 4:35 pm

Cornflake wrote:

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No-one is in a position yet to name or bring criminal charges, and that includes the Jan 6 Commission. The mountain of evidence is still growing.

. . . and growing . . . and growing . . . and growing . . .

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26 Jul 2022, 5:33 pm

Cornflake wrote:

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No-one is in a position yet to name or bring criminal charges, and that includes the Jan 6 Commission. The mountain of evidence is still growing.

Usually when someone is in the process of being convicted of a crime, there's a particular indictment charge being sought. But apparently in this case there isn't one. Which seems rather unusual.

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26 Jul 2022, 8:40 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:

Cornflake wrote:

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No-one is in a position yet to name or bring criminal charges, and that includes the Jan 6 Commission. The mountain of evidence is still growing.

Usually when someone is in the process of being convicted of a crime, there's a particular indictment charge being sought. But apparently in this case there isn't one. Which seems rather unusual.

Correct!

There isn’t one. There are several.

Watch the hearings for a full explanation & list of potential charges.

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26 Jul 2022, 9:04 pm

I think there's one important factor that needs to addressed about this is the incredible corruption of the DOJ and the mechanisms in place in general. Justice is not equally applied. Some people get a pass, others don't.

For instance, James Clapper lied before Congress about The NSA , claiming they weren't collecting massive on Americans. He paid no price for his perjury.

Just food for thought.

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26 Jul 2022, 9:48 pm

goldfish21 wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

Cornflake wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

No-one is in a position yet to name or bring criminal charges, and that includes the Jan 6 Commission. The mountain of evidence is still growing.

Usually when someone is in the process of being convicted of a crime, there's a particular indictment charge being sought. But apparently in this case there isn't one. Which seems rather unusual.

Correct!

There isn’t one. There are several.

Then why haven't you been able to name one?

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27 Jul 2022, 2:58 am

Fnord wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

Fnord wrote:

I wish they would simply arrest Trump, try him, convict him, sentence him, incarcerate him, and get it over with.

You are not the only one.

Then why am I getting so much flack for expressing it?

Because you seem to be playing "Devil's Advocate" in Trump's favor.

I'm glad Fnord was able to isolate the issue. I was under the wrong impression in this thread as to what Matrix Glitch supports and is trying to argue for.

The problem with convicting Trump IMHO is that he's very good at playing what I call the "what the definition of "is", is, game." He says things without actually saying them. Which inevitably creates reasonable doubt.

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27 Jul 2022, 3:49 am

Trump certainly was explicit in his desire to secure phantom votes for himself during his phone call to the Georgian election official. It’s on tape, easily accessible via YouTube.

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27 Jul 2022, 4:26 am

DW_a_mom wrote:

I'm glad Fnord was able to isolate the issue. I was under the wrong impression in this thread as to what Matrix Glitch supports and is trying to argue for.

I'm a moderate/independent like VegetableMan. But many misunderstand him too and jump to wrong conclusions, so at least I don't feel singled out.

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The problem with convicting Trump IMHO is that he's very good at playing what I call the "what the definition of "is", is, game." He says things without actually saying them. Which inevitably creates reasonable doubt.

If there's something concrete to nail him with, those games aren't going to work. They only work because of the anecdotal evidence that's been presented thus far.

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27 Jul 2022, 6:09 am

But there is “something concrete to nail him with.”

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27 Jul 2022, 6:20 am

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But there is “something concrete to nail him with.”

Which is....

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27 Jul 2022, 6:56 am

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Usually when someone is in the process of being convicted of a crime, there's a particular indictment charge being sought. But apparently in this case there isn't one. Which seems rather unusual.

But he's not in the process of being convicted of a crime - that's outside the Jan 6 Commission's remit. The Commission is discovering as much as it can about the events leading up to the attempted insurrection, the event itself, and the events since.
Separately, the Justice Department is examining Donald Trump's actions in connection with efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election.

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27 Jul 2022, 6:59 am

The Georgia Phantom Vote situation.

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27 Jul 2022, 7:28 am

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The Georgia Phantom Vote situation.

OK, I'm looking looking for a law with its name in the lawbooks that's been broken.

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