What are the odds of this being another William Freund?

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White Supremicist gangs can be found in those kinds of neighborhoods sometimes. Most of the time they keep a lower profile than gangs of other ethnic backgrounds too because many of them get fixated on hating whites that disagree with them more than anybody else.

After reading some other information about all this, it appears that Will Freund managed to act competent when he bought the gun, but creeped out clerks at all the local stores looking for the most powerful ammo. The shops ether outright refused to sell to him or tried to sell him bird shot, lying to him by telling him that it is every bit as good for home defense, when it is far less likely to kill someone when compared to any kind if buckshot or slugs. Since being weird generally isn't considered a reason to refuse to sell, having bought a gun recently myself, I cannot begin to describe how stupid he must have acted to be refused service. Coming across as weird (like I couldn't help doing) is okay as long as you clear the background check and any other store policies), but they have a duty not to sell to someone that seems dangerous, so he bought ammo over the internet where nobody could tell what he is like.

I'll have to look up State and Federal laws on buying ammo over the internet. I thought you needed a Federal Firearms License to do that. Will clearly didn't have one because that would require a BATF interview, and they probably would have ended up taking him for a psychiatric evaluation.

Yeah, cause everywhere rich and white people live, there arent ANY problems at all right... I guess will freund was an example of that the OC really isnt like they portray it on TV. (Not that I really thought it was, i had visited the area before watching it on tv..)

I used to live in Orange County and I still go there every month or two. And the TV image of the place is way off. There are lots of extremely nice places there, but there are also some parts that are just as bad as the worst parts of L.A. There are also more gangs there than anyone likes to publicly admit to. The residents of upscale residents had put too much faith in their gates community and the police to keep out the human trash (ie. gang members, drug dealers, burglars, etc), but apparently never gave a second thought to the possibility that a serious threat may live or have buisness there.

Whoa! This was quite a story.

Does anyone know what happened in the end? Was WrongPlanet.net convicted of anything?

Couldn't have been convicted. The people who run the site didn't egg the lad on, and even if some members had, I don't think the people who run it could have got into trouble for it, which is the only way the site itself could have gotten into trouble over it.

Besides, this is the interwebs. Last place you get free speech and all that.

All the same, it is very stupid and dangerous to egg troubled people on. You don't know if they will take the words so much to heart that they will go out and kill people like this young man did.

You know i really really get mad about the situation and how people would not let him on wrongplanet to talk. I was one of the few trying to get him to get help. I am still angry about the situation, and should have more people let willfreund talk on wrongplanet, the situation could have been different i do beflieve now that i think about it. I am furious about it. I still miss him he was a very sick person.

Whoa, there is some serious necroposting going on here!

This is more then about gun control. This is about a human being and he was trying to reach out for help, i do believe at heart. I guess just like it is. Some people will never be or get well. There are people that dont allow for that. This has upset me for many years.

I do remember the news story. He needed a lot more help than can be provided in a social setting. He sounded treatable but a legal intervention would likely have been required to do so. He is a prime example of changes being needed in mental health treatment, though I personally do not believe any changes should come based on this incident alone.

He came to me wanting to give himself up but he could not find a decent or good hospital. That was what was stopping him

I for one, thought this thread didn't exist anymore

I thought Alex deleted all the Willy Freund threads back then.

Last time I talked about him, it got me into lot of trouble here and then afterwards I was accused of trying to provoke people here. Just because I was aware of the history here and about what he did, it was automatically assumed I knew he must not be named here nor talked about.

Personally I think it's a relevant subject for the ASD community. It (and not just WP) was in it's infancy when that happened. The personal history of events that set William Freund over the edge is not unique to his difficulties, though to the best of my knowledge he is the only one that did go off. It is also relevant that he got cold feet about getting help. Those tend to be the 2 biggest aspect of people in crisis here, and also it's a major shortcoming in public policy at large too. There is nothing for anyone to learn about strategy and tactics from his actions, but much to learn about the ramifications of our behaviors and what can be differently. I've found many questionably stable people here, and while I don't suspect any criminally insane people here at the moment (though some seem disturbed), there are many, both volatile and not, that need to be directed towards help and get encouraged to use it.