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27 Mar 2020, 6:02 pm

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I don't see the BBC covering it yet.

The Guardian is a joke.


At least our government isn’t headed by a joke.

It’s headed by a sick joke. :mrgreen:


OI!
There is only room for one full-time comedian here.
Find your own venue. :mrgreen:



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27 Mar 2020, 6:06 pm

Back in our exhaustive review of potential treatments for SARS-CoV-2 infections, we mentioned one option that was relatively quick, easy, and required no further approval for use: transfer of blood plasma from those who had previously had an infection. The reasoning being that this plasma will contain antibodies that could neutralize coronaviruses in the blood stream, severely limiting the progression of an active infection. Now, trials of this method are starting in New York City, the hardest hit location in the US.

Several New York City hospitals are planning a joint test of plasma transfusions as a therapy, relying on the large and growing population of formerly infected people in the area. Initially, it will be tested in those who are suffering COVID-19 symptoms who require hospitalization but who have not progressed to severe breathing impairment. The Food and Drug Administration approved the research on Tuesday.

The plan is to use the New York Blood Center, which normally coordinates blood, platelet, and bone marrow donations, as a sort of clearing house for the plasma. It will obtain it from donors and screen it for additional infections before approving it for use. (As a side benefit, this may help us better understand how long after infection the coronavirus persists in individuals.) The Blood Center will also ensure that the plasma has high titers of antibodies against the coronavirus.

One good aspect of this method is that we have the ability to separate the plasma from the oxygen-carrying red blood cells and re-inject the latter during the donation. Since plasma is replenished more rapidly than red blood cells, this will allow a single donor to make repeated contributions.

We still don't know whether antibodies are effective against an infection in progress; the therapy may do nothing, or only slightly slow the progression. But there's a reasonable chance it will help, and this trial will be a good opportunity to understand if it does.

New York hospitals will trial using antibodies to treat coronavirus cases

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27 Mar 2020, 6:09 pm

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This is a poster from Chicago in the 1918 Pandemic.

I was reading an article this morning which linked to another article and I thought the other article was interesting and worth a read:

10 misconceptions about the 1918 flu, the ‘greatest pandemic in history’.


The irony is that 1918 Europe knew that closing borders and self-isolation was the key to stopping the spread of influenza. Beautifully illustrates why its dangerous for school kids to fall asleep during history class. The ignorant not following social distance or home isolation.



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27 Mar 2020, 6:14 pm

I’m probably going to give plasma.



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27 Mar 2020, 6:30 pm

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I’m probably going to give plasma.


What the medical community is trying to do is capture the antibodies of infected individuals that have recovered from the illness. This way they can provide them to the most seriously ill. This is thought to be a way to boost their immune systems at a critical time.

Kraftie since you were ill and recovered, it is possible that you had the coronavirus or maybe just the common flu. A fingertip prick antibody tests can tell. If it turns out that you did survive the coronavirus, donating your blood to the effort is a noble idea.


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27 Mar 2020, 6:40 pm

I’m not recovered yet. But close.

I had a flu test: negative.

I will donate if eligible.



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27 Mar 2020, 7:15 pm

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Whiskey was used as a cure for the Spanish flu during 1918 Pandemic.

By the end of October, the number of cases in the city [Charleston, South Carolina] exceeded 5,000, likely a vast undercount, Steere-Williams said.

Panic set in. To fight the epidemic, the mayor coordinated efforts to distribute whiskey, which at the time was thought to be an effective remedy.

Residents went to doctors to get their whiskey prescriptions. They lined up at dispensaries. By late October, The News and Courier was reporting about the scarcity of whiskey supplies.

It was a controversial medical practice.

In 1918, the Journal of the South Carolina Medical Association noted that the flu had spread from the mountains to the coast, reaping its “fearful toll of valuable lives” and creating demand “for whiskey for the treatment of desperate cases.”

The group polled some of its members. Some doctors said they never prescribed whiskey. Others said they had for decades, with one saying “Coca cola is more injurious than a moderate use of whiskey” and that “coffee kills more people than whiskey ever did.”

Source: The Spanish flu hammered Charleston a century ago. What lessons does that pandemic offer?

[Coca-Cola was named back in 1885 for its two “medicinal” ingredients: extract of coca leaves and kola nuts. Just how much cocaine was originally in the formulation is hard to determine, but the drink undeniably contained some cocaine in its early days. Frederick Allen describes the public attitude towards cocaine that existed as Coca-Cola’s developers worked on perfecting their formula in 1891.

How much cocaine was in that “mere trace” is impossible to say, but we do know that by 1902 it was as little as 1/400 of a grain of cocaine per ounce of syrup. Coca-Cola didn’t become completely cocaine-free until 1929, but there was scarcely any of the drug left in the drink by then.]


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27 Mar 2020, 7:35 pm

THE SPANISH FLU PANDEMIC

Panicked cities began to require that citizens wear masks to hinder the alarming spread of the virus. New York City was hit particularly bad, with 851 people dying from the flu in one day alone.

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A New York City mailman makes his rounds during the outbreak.

This typist shows that masks weren't just for outdoors either. Authorities advised that masks be worn at all times. Despite the precautions, the flu pandemic lowered the life expectancy by 12 years in the US in just one year.

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A typist in New York City wears her mask indoors.

Every corner of the globe and every major city was hit by the virus in just a matter of weeks. Between 50 million and 100 million people around the world died from the Spanish flu.

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Japanese school girls wear protective masks to guard against the influenza outbreak.

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Source: Photos show how the 1918 flu pandemic brought the world to its knees


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27 Mar 2020, 7:38 pm

They dosed me with whiskey when I had a sore throat.They left out the honey and lemon part.
Possibly saved my tonsils.
If a kids tongue was coated they gave you a natural laxative like Fletchers Castoria or an NR.(nature’s remedy).


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27 Mar 2020, 8:04 pm

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Considering how quickly the total cases in the USA surged pass the reported cases in China. I am willing to bet China was not being honest about the number of cases. If they would have many other counties would have likely taken it serious sooner.


Cases surged due to massive testing.



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27 Mar 2020, 8:09 pm

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I’m not recovered yet. But close.

I had a flu test: negative.

I will donate if eligible.


A negative result on the flu or the corona "kung flu"?

EzraS wrote:
Cases surged due to massive testing.


Yeppo.



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27 Mar 2020, 8:10 pm

Regular flu, unfortunately.



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27 Mar 2020, 8:20 pm

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THE SPANISH FLU PANDEMIC

Panicked cities began to require that citizens wear masks to hinder the alarming spread of the virus. New York City was hit particularly bad, with 851 people dying from the flu in one day alone.



I think it should be mandatory to wear masks, bandana, scarves, when in public.
Not so much to not catch it.
More to inhibit droplets of saliva being spread around, regardless of whether or not someone thinks they have the disease.

Just imaging the massive amount of spittle that is spread everywhere you sneeze, cough, walk and talk throughout the day.
"Put a muzzle on it" should be the motto. :mrgreen:

I'll never see life in the same way. 8O



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27 Mar 2020, 8:21 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Regular flu, unfortunately.

Can you take a joke about the coronavirus, in your situation?
Or you rather I not?



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27 Mar 2020, 8:25 pm

What can I do?

Joke away.....



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27 Mar 2020, 8:52 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
What can I do?

Joke away.....


You have the flu, not the kung flu.
I was going to say: So you have something to look forward to.
Err, too much? 8O