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28 Mar 2020, 10:17 am

But there is “proof of virulence.” Look at the Italian death rate.

Many healthy people who would just shake off the regular flu are getting very sick with this COVID19.

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28 Mar 2020, 10:21 am

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Cutie pie

They carry a lot of viruses; bats are better to be kept in their natural habitats.

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28 Mar 2020, 10:34 am

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I think there has got to be a lot more people who have CV.

The case of Diamond Princess has helped people to make some educated guesses on true number of cases. There, essentially 18% of patients were asymptomatic, and were confirmed as having COVID-19 only after returning to their countries. Sure, for younger people, the ratio of asymptomatic cases might be a bit higher. 15% of COVID-19 cases require hospitalization. The thing is, this virus is serious enough, that most infected people will seek medical help (at least to confirm). If you multiply the detected number of cases by 2 or 3, you probably get the true number of cases. The point is, sure, there are cases out there that have not been detected. But they are not a factor of 10. The size of undetected cases is probably comparable to the size of detected cases. Could be somewhat larger. But not a whole lot larger.

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28 Mar 2020, 10:46 am

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But there is “proof of virulence.” Look at the Italian death rate.

That high death rate in Italy is based on what is possibly a substantially lower number of cases than actually exist.

The problem with determining the rising number of CV cases, is who knows if the rise in numbers is due to more people catching it, or due to more extensive testing revealing undiagnosed cases.

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Many healthy people who would just shake off the regular flu are getting very sick with this COVID19.

Where did you hear that?

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28 Mar 2020, 10:49 am

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I think that you may well be right, and that I've been totally wrong.

... I have expressed being skeptical about this thing killing people the way the Spanish Flu did. And that it would probably be closer to the H1N1 pandemic (which was also associated with the Spanish Flu in 2009).

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Just read this https://www.globalresearch.ca/swiss-doc ... 19/5707642

... and was in shock ( real shock, shaking and crying ), after reading it, shock at the extraordinary levels of incompetency/human error/foolishness of governments etc and of corruption/manipulation/exploitation and lies running rampant worldwide at the moment if the data in this piece is to be believed.

Shock that governments either unable to think more clearly and look after their citizens better, and/or that they are so corrupt/in cahoots with or in debt to/under thumb of big business *** that they would participate in encouraging so much fear and in bringing in measures so harsh, so disastrous to so many of the poorest, when data widely available for at least a week, ( much longer in scientific journals etc ) now indicates that this coronavirus is about as dangerous as a bad cold or a bout of flu.

*** Economists and financial pundits etc have been saying for a couple of years now that another global crash was imminent, and that it would be far worse than the last one and that the chances of people around the world letting their governments bail out the banks and big corps again was much smaller this time. As it is they now have perfect "cover story" and they're qualifying for huge aid packages from govts. ...

Very interesting. Hopefully it goes forth as a unanimous verdict and there can be an end to the nightmare.

We Swiss know our stuff :mrgreen:

It also occurred to me that perhaps another reason why this might have taken off so massively with so little proof of virulence is that an awful lot of people have been longing for something like this.

Sadly that could be.

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28 Mar 2020, 11:01 am

There's now a Japanese cruise ship where most of the passengers are sick that have been boarded. Two have died and four have Covid-19. I don't remember the name of the ship. I nearly sprayed my tea when I heard that.

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28 Mar 2020, 11:02 am

eikonabridge wrote:

EzraS wrote:

I think there has got to be a lot more people who have CV.

5% of cases are serious or critical worldwide (431,421 mild vs 24,016 serious/critical).

Even multiplied by 3 that is less than 1,900,000 cases of COVID19 worldwide vs 60,800,000 cases of H1N1 (2009) in just the United States.

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28 Mar 2020, 11:03 am

I've also put my armour on. This little Sweet Pea needs to be safe and protected. There's an Om Nom inside that suit. (Me).

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28 Mar 2020, 11:10 am

There are police officers and firefighters—relatively young and relatively healthy—who are dying from COVID19.

They probably wouldn’t have died from regular flu.

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28 Mar 2020, 11:19 am

Laundromat was quiet but a few customers.

Walmart was a little thin but had everything I wanted.

A man was coughing violently at the gas station,don't know if it was CV.

The city of 12K people had its first death yesterday.

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28 Mar 2020, 11:21 am

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There are police officers and firefighters—relatively young and relatively healthy—who are dying from COVID19.

They probably wouldn’t have died from regular flu.

No but they might have died from pneumonia.

There are about 49,000 deaths from pneumonia in the US.

COVID19 is a bad illness and I feel sad for those who are critical and those who have died from it.

But it is still very far down the list of what kills people.

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28 Mar 2020, 11:58 am

They probably wouldn’t have gotten pneumonia as a complication had they had regular flu.

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28 Mar 2020, 12:08 pm

CV is not the regular flu, it is a SARS.

But the regular flu does kill a considerably lager number of people worldwide and in the US (so far).

About 650,000 vs 28,973 worldwide and 61,000 vs 1,878 US.

And there are umpteen other things that kill more people than the flu.

A lot of which could be reduced considerably by applying shutdowns and bans.

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28 Mar 2020, 12:14 pm

It’s a different demographic, though.

People who die of regular flu virtually always have some sort of chronic condition, or are severely immunocompromised, or are very old. Usually, all three.

More people who do not fit those categories are dying of COVID-19. It’s a small percentage....but a higher percentage than the regular flu. Way too high.

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28 Mar 2020, 12:21 pm

The percentage of umpteen things that kill people is way too high.

So why not always keep everyone in their home and restrict what they consume to save millions upon millions of lives?

Ironically keeping people in isolation for weeks while they are stressed out over it and consuming tons of junk and comfort food and indulging in vices more than usual and most probably not getting enough exercise, is going to contribute to a lot of deaths as well.

Being A Couch Potato For Just 2 Weeks Is Bad For Health
https://www.msn.com/en-au/health/nutrit ... ar-AAHVmG5

Why Being an ‘Active Couch Potato’ Is Bad for Your Health
https://ispyphysiology.com/2019/01/30/w ... ur-health/

Lots of articles on that.

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28 Mar 2020, 12:35 pm

H&M Group — the parent company of H&M, & Other Stories, Weekday, and COS — is also pivoting its supply chains to produce personal protective equipment (PPE) for medical centers and health care workers worldwide.

On Wednesday, Gap and Canada Goose also announced their facilities will be manufacturing masks, gowns and scrubs for hospitals in need.

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