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28 Mar 2020, 12:38 pm

I’m not really into this “isolation” thing myself. Do you think I like being holed up in my home?

Read what the epidemiologists say.

There’s a reason why these measures were taken. They were not taken lightly. Do you believe Trump even wanted to isolate people (and himself)?

We might be isolated in NYC longer than most people in the US.



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28 Mar 2020, 12:42 pm

No I think he was pressured into it. Read what epidemiologists said about H1N1 in 2009. It will sound very familiar.



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28 Mar 2020, 12:44 pm

This is a unique virus that’s done unique things.

It’s “novel,” and it’s unpredictable.

Trump is not easily pressured into doing anything.



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28 Mar 2020, 12:47 pm

The same things were said about H1N1.


It's funny how CV is a "novel" virus and is unpredictable.

And yet so many seem to know detailed aspects about it and make predictions they are quite certain of.



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28 Mar 2020, 1:03 pm

It is a “novel” virus—but researchers are digging deeply, and learning lots of things.



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28 Mar 2020, 1:24 pm

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CV is not the regular flu, it is a SARS.

But the regular flu does kill a considerably lager number of people worldwide and in the US (so far).

About 650,000 vs 28,973 worldwide and 61,000 vs 1,878 US.

And there are umpteen other things that kill more people than the flu.

A lot of which could be reduced considerably by applying shutdowns and bans.


Deaths are a small part of the worry. A greater worry--and proven by cases in Europe--is overburdening the healthcare system. Nobody ever said these people all died. They said there was no room. The amount of people and the treatment required. This has been stated here a number of times.


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28 Mar 2020, 1:29 pm

Some deaths could be caused solely by this overburdening.

A manifestation of this overburdening is the choice doctors sometimes have to make as to whether to save the life of one person, or another.



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28 Mar 2020, 1:29 pm

EzraS wrote:
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There are police officers and firefighters—relatively young and relatively healthy—who are dying from COVID19.

They probably wouldn’t have died from regular flu.


No but they might have died from pneumonia.

There are about 49,000 deaths from pneumonia in the US.

COVID19 is a bad illness and I feel sad for those who are critical and those who have died from it.

But it is still very far down the list of what kills people.


As stated several times before Covid 19 can precede pneumonia. Weak lungs are weak lungs it works both ways to catch infection.
As stated before my son caught a virus in 2018 and nearly died because of that causing him to vomit at his dad's, which was aspirated and caused bacterial pneunonia as my mom immediately picked up on which he suffered with for days and which hospital refused to test for saying 'its just flu or virus' until my mom and I got my XH tp ask... It came back positive, their arrogance would have cost his life. He was in such a bad state they said he would have died if he was admitted a day later even.


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28 Mar 2020, 1:54 pm

Trump Says He May Quarantine New York, Connecticut, New Jersey: 'It's A Hot Spot'

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President Trump says he is "looking at" quarantining New York, Connecticut and New Jersey, which have developed as "hot spots" of the coronavirus outbreak.

"We'd like to see New York quarantined because it's a hot spot — New York, New Jersey, maybe one or two other places, certain parts of Connecticut quarantined," Trump said Saturday outside the White House before departing for Norfolk, Va.

At Naval Station Norfolk, the president spoke about the deployment of the USNS Comfort, a hospital ship destined for New York Harbor. The ship will support the taxed medical resources of New York City — which, with more than 29,000 confirmed cases and more than 500 deaths linked to the virus as of Saturday morning, has become the epicenter of the pandemic in the U.S.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday that statewide, "we have lost 728 New Yorkers to Coronavirus."

The governors of Florida and Rhode Island have already announced that they are requiring travelers from New York to go into a 14-day quarantine. Cuomo also said Saturday that the state is postponing its presidential primary — originally scheduled for April 28 — back to June 23.

New Jersey has also seen a big spike in cases recently — with more than 11,000 confirmed, in all, at least 140 of which have resulted in the patient's death.

"We might not have to do [the quarantine]," Trump told reporters Saturday, "but there's a possibility that sometime today we'll do a quarantine — short-term two weeks for New York, probably, New Jersey and parts of Connecticut."

He added that "we wouldn't" close the New York City subway and that "we're not going to need" the National Guard, explaining that he plans to speak with Cuomo later.

Cuomo said that despite his recent conversations with the president about the hospital ship, he had heard nothing from Trump "about any quarantine."

"I haven't had those conversations," the governor said at a separate news briefing Saturday in New York. "I don't even know what that means.

For now, Trump tweeted that the decision on a possible quarantine of three states "will be made, one way or the other, shortly."


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28 Mar 2020, 2:00 pm

This actually might make sense, unfortunately.



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28 Mar 2020, 2:05 pm

Philly has under 1,000 cases, total. Maybe this has to do with testing. It’s only 90 miles southwest of NYC.

But NYC has had 20,000s cases and 450 deaths.

I’m a born and bred New Yorker. I take pride in my city.

City residents shouldn’t travel outside the area except for essential things.



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28 Mar 2020, 2:56 pm

Not exactly the best phrasing!

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28 Mar 2020, 3:20 pm

Massive deliveries of urns in Wuhan have raised fresh skepticism of China’s coronavirus reporting.


As families in the central Chinese city began picking up the cremated ashes of those who have died from the virus this week, photos began circulating on social media and local media outlets showing vast numbers of urns at Wuhan funeral homes.

China has reported 3,299 coronavirus-related deaths, with most taking place in Wuhan, the epicenter of the global pandemic. But one funeral home received two shipments of 5,000 urns over the course of two days, according to the Chinese media outlet Caixin.

It’s not clear how many of the urns were filled.

Workers at several funeral parlors declined to provide any details to Bloomberg as to how many urns were waiting to be collected, saying they either did not know or were not authorized to share the number.

Source: Urn deliveries in Wuhan raise questions about China's actual coronavirus death toll


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28 Mar 2020, 3:29 pm

Spain's Princess Maria Teresa of Bourbon-Parma has become the first royal to die from the novel coronavirus. The 86-year-old was a cousin of Spain’s King Felipe VI. She died after contracting COVID-19. She was known for her outspoken views and activist work, which led to her nickname the "Red Princess."

Earlier this week, Queen Elizabeth II's eldest son, Prince Charles, became the first British royal to be tested positive for the coronavirus.

“The Prince of Wales has tested positive for Coronavirus. He has been displaying mild symptoms but otherwise remains in good health and has been working from home throughout the last few days as usual."

Prince Albert of Monaco revealed his positive diagnosis of COVID-19.

Source: Spain's Princess Maria Teresa becomes first royal to die from coronavirus


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28 Mar 2020, 3:30 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
But there is “proof of virulence.” Look at the Italian death rate. ...

It is still far from clear how "deadly"/virulent this Coronavirus is, and evidence increasingly suggests ( as in the blog/journal I linked to on page 230 https://www.globalresearch.ca/swiss-doc ... 19/5707642 ), that it is no more dangerous than a bad cold or bout of flu.

Here is another article looking at this.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The ... s-we-think



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28 Mar 2020, 3:36 pm

But what about all those young, healthy people in serious/critical condition?

It’s a small amount.....but still much more than what occurs with “regular” flu.

I do understand the points made in the articles, though....and that (as I’ve stated before) the mortality rate might turn out to be lower.



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