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28 Mar 2020, 8:26 pm

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Oh heavens! I thought they were stacking cases of beer. ^^

How do I unsee it?


I think I have been emotionally exhausted, after the bushfire catastrophe, here in Australia.
I seem to be coping so much better with this crisis, thank the gods. :wink:

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$11,000 fines and/or 6 months in gaol, for those not self-isolating, when instructed. YAY! :mrgreen:



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28 Mar 2020, 8:35 pm

Pepe wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Oh heavens! I thought they were stacking cases of beer. ^^

How do I unsee it?


I think I have been emotionally exhausted, after the bushfire catastrophe, here in Australia.
I seem to be coping so much better with this crisis, thank the gods. :wink:

News Flash!
$11,000 fines and/or 6 months in gaol, for those not self-isolating, when instructed. YAY! :mrgreen:


What are the details of that? Someone gets fined if they walk their dog?



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28 Mar 2020, 8:39 pm

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IsabellaLinton wrote:
Oh heavens! I thought they were stacking cases of beer. ^^

How do I unsee it?


I think I have been emotionally exhausted, after the bushfire catastrophe, here in Australia.
I seem to be coping so much better with this crisis, thank the gods. :wink:

News Flash!
$11,000 fines and/or 6 months in gaol, for those not self-isolating, when instructed. YAY! :mrgreen:


What are the details of that? Someone gets fined if they walk their dog?


No details.
If you haven't been specifically told by the government to self-isolate, here in Oz, you can walk the dog, etc, with social distancing.

I think the fines are predominately directed towards people coming off cruise ships, etc, and breaking quarantine.



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28 Mar 2020, 8:42 pm

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But what about all those young, healthy people in serious/critical condition?

It’s a small amount.....but still much more than what occurs with “regular” flu.

I do understand the points made in the articles, though....and that (as I’ve stated before) the mortality rate might turn out to be lower.


Is it worse than the regular flu? Yes. Yes it is worse than the regular flu.

The real question is... Is it actually bad enough to require the draconian measures being taken?

People should challenge that. Otherwise they will just go along with anything they are told no matter how drastic it is.



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28 Mar 2020, 8:47 pm

It'S a moot point, as no matter what anyone says, the other person won't accept it or only see it as black and white without nuance, and nothing you or anyone else say will influence what the world leaders decide works best on a mass scale.


The draconian measures referred to, were targeted to the carriers/quarantined specifically, for the countries that, despite proximity, managed to contain it --without being as badly affected or going the way you (EzraS) have issue with (no lockdown etc). The tools and system and mindset of people, to do that in N America, it's not possible. It's culture as well as the system.


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28 Mar 2020, 8:52 pm

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Massive deliveries of urns in Wuhan have raised fresh skepticism of China’s coronavirus reporting.


As families in the central Chinese city began picking up the cremated ashes of those who have died from the virus this week, photos began circulating on social media and local media outlets showing vast numbers of urns at Wuhan funeral homes.

China has reported 3,299 coronavirus-related deaths, with most taking place in Wuhan, the epicenter of the global pandemic. But one funeral home received two shipments of 5,000 urns over the course of two days, according to the Chinese media outlet Caixin.

It’s not clear how many of the urns were filled.

Workers at several funeral parlors declined to provide any details to Bloomberg as to how many urns were waiting to be collected, saying they either did not know or were not authorized to share the number.

Source: Urn deliveries in Wuhan raise questions about China's actual coronavirus death toll


There is a good chance the truth will eventually come out.
Not matter how they try to hide it through government brutality.
China's lies in the past have decimated their credibility.
They have become the laughing stock of the world, in this regard. :mrgreen:

BTW
I haven't heard much about Hong Kong, lately.
Has the coronavirus blunted the CCP's resolve, in this situation?
One crisis at a time, sort of thing?



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28 Mar 2020, 8:54 pm

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Massive deliveries of urns in Wuhan have raised fresh skepticism of China’s coronavirus reporting.


As families in the central Chinese city began picking up the cremated ashes of those who have died from the virus this week, photos began circulating on social media and local media outlets showing vast numbers of urns at Wuhan funeral homes.

China has reported 3,299 coronavirus-related deaths, with most taking place in Wuhan, the epicenter of the global pandemic. But one funeral home received two shipments of 5,000 urns over the course of two days, according to the Chinese media outlet Caixin.

It’s not clear how many of the urns were filled.

Workers at several funeral parlors declined to provide any details to Bloomberg as to how many urns were waiting to be collected, saying they either did not know or were not authorized to share the number.

Source: Urn deliveries in Wuhan raise questions about China's actual coronavirus death toll



Considering that about 7,500 people die each day in the US; 10,000 urns does not cover much for a population of 1.5 Billion.



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I find that hard to believe.
I don't think the CCP is that stupid.



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28 Mar 2020, 8:57 pm

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Unintentional or intentional? Could be either with China.



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28 Mar 2020, 8:59 pm

Also ... (I can't ready the Czech; anybody?)

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28 Mar 2020, 9:02 pm

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I've also put my armour on. This little Sweet Pea needs to be safe and protected. There's an Om Nom inside that suit. (Me).


"Social isolation" is "stronger" than any armour. :wink:



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28 Mar 2020, 9:03 pm

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I find that hard to believe.
I don't think the CCP is that stupid.

All I know is what I read in the papers.

Coronavirus: Netherlands recalls defective masks imported from China

THE HAGUE (AFP) - Dutch officials have recalled tens of thousands of masks imported from China and distributed to hospitals battling the coronavirus outbreak because they do not meet quality standards, the health ministry said on Saturday (March 28).

They received a delivery of masks from a Chinese manufacturer on March 21, the ministry said in a statement to AFP.

They received a first indication they did not meet their standards when they were inspected.

Part of the shipment had already been distributed to health professionals, the statement said. "The rest of the shipment was immediately put on hold and has not been distributed.

"A second test also revealed that the masks did not meet the quality norms. Now it has been decided not to use any of this shipment," said the statement.


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www. straitstimes. com/world/europe/coronavirus-netherlands-recalls-defective-masks-imported-from-china


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28 Mar 2020, 9:04 pm

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There are police officers and firefighters—relatively young and relatively healthy—who are dying from COVID19.

They probably wouldn’t have died from regular flu.


The garden variety of flu kills all age groups in significant numbers, doesn't it?
I haven't research.
Better answer this before Ezras sees it. :mrgreen:



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28 Mar 2020, 9:06 pm

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Also ... (I can't ready the Czech; anybody?)

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Google translate says: "Coronavirus quick tests from China have by region hygin... it would probably be heard audibly as a validation test for people in the end quarantines that have never been tested positively"



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