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14 Sep 2017, 7:16 am

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I've never seen a group get so attached to PARTICIPATION TROPHIES.


And I've never seen a group so butthurt over losing an election that they'd go after statues.

And you have lived only a short spell on this earth.Nothing new under the sun lil' Skippy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

Well, there's a reason Rome lasted for 1000 years, and not letting the symbol of treason fly openly was a large part of that. Also of note, in the three major civil wars the Romans had, in only one case was the losing faction not purged, and that was the great civil war between Pompey his senate allies and Julius Caesar, and we all know what happened to Julius Caesar when he made that mistake. It's not about erasing history, it's about erasing violent opposition that destabilizes a society. Statues are not history, they are symbols, and every confederate statue is the symbol of someone that attacked the United States.

As for Raptor's comment, well, if you'll remember this all started with Nikki Haley taking down the confederate flag in July of 2015, a full year and a half before the election, the facts negate your claim. Also these symbols were removed from public property by the local communities that were hosting them, not antifa, not 'liberals, not 'northerners', but your own southern brothers and sisters who are ready to move on from the divisions the aristocratic southerners saddled the south with 150 years ago.



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14 Sep 2017, 8:10 am

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Sorry, but the kkk and neo-nazis are a disease. I'm not about to let a disease spread in my country, not without putting up a fight. By the logic you're advocating we should just let the middle east terrorists have their way and then they'll be sedated and happy and we can all just get along, unfortunately what the terrorists want is the destruction of the U.S. and themselves in power, the neo-nazi's and KKK want the exact same thing. That's just not gonna fly with me, nor with most of the people on my side of the argument.


Its funny when this angle is placed on discussion forums there is always deathly silence...



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14 Sep 2017, 9:03 am

I also posit this: How many confederate supporters would accept the flag of Mexico flying next to the Texas flag, or a whole boatload of Santa Anna statues lining the state capital in Austin? How about a King George III next to the Washington monument? How about a Isoroku Yamamoto at Pearl Harbor? After all, all those statues would merely be 'historic' by your own claims.



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14 Sep 2017, 12:11 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
I also posit this: How many confederate supporters would accept the flag of Mexico flying next to the Texas flag, or a whole boatload of Santa Anna statues lining the state capital in Austin? How about a King George III next to the Washington monument? How about a Isoroku Yamamoto at Pearl Harbor? After all, all those statues would merely be 'historic' by your own claims.


Not exactly the same as these people were not Americans.

These Americans did use violent terrorism. Selective outrage?
Berkeley Gets $98,000 From National Park Service For Black Panther Tribute

Weather Underground - Film

Puerto Rican terrorist leads parade on float with Mark-Viverito
He was sponsored by Mark-Viverto the New York City Council president.
His inclusion did get blowback in the form of boycotts, not riots.

An equivalent would be right wing students rioting to prevent former 60's "radicals" from speaking or having the movie The Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution from being shown and having all hip hop artists who have used Panther imagery from appearing.


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14 Sep 2017, 12:12 pm

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I also posit this: How many confederate supporters would accept the flag of Mexico flying next to the Texas flag, or a whole boatload of Santa Anna statues lining the state capital in Austin? How about a King George III next to the Washington monument? How about a Isoroku Yamamoto at Pearl Harbor? After all, all those statues would merely be 'historic' by your own claims.


Selective outrage?
Berkeley Gets $98,000 From National Park Service For Black Panther Tribute

Weather Underground - Film

Puerto Rican terrorist leads parade on float with Mark-Viverito
He was sponsored by the New York City Council president.
His inclusion did get blowback in the form of boycotts, not riots.

I'm not for any of those for the exact same reasons.

Edit: I believe in the rule of law as the grand arbiter, that doesn't mean I won't protest against laws I find unjust or misguided, but I won't take up arms against the state because that leads to negative repercussions for everyone in the state's jurisdiction including those that took up arms, successful or not, because they've just weakened the whole. This is assuming there's a democratic presence in said state, monarchies, authoritarianism and the like is a different ballgame since they preclude individual voices and thus the ability for the society to be built from the ground up.



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14 Sep 2017, 12:21 pm

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As for Raptor's comment, well, if you'll remember this all started with Nikki Haley taking down the confederate flag in July of 2015, a full year and a half before the election, the facts negate your claim. Also these symbols were removed from public property by the local communities that were hosting them, not antifa, not 'liberals, not 'northerners', but your own southern brothers and sisters who are ready to move on from the divisions the aristocratic southerners saddled the south with 150 years ago.


I'ts been going on longer than that. Nikki Haley was only placating the masses after the Charleston church shooting, nothing more than a calculated political move. I suppose I might look at it differently if the left hadn't acted like spoiled children after the election. I'm still seeing it and will continue seeing it a continuation a sore loser tantrum.


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14 Sep 2017, 12:23 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
I also posit this: How many confederate supporters would accept the flag of Mexico flying next to the Texas flag, or a whole boatload of Santa Anna statues lining the state capital in Austin? How about a King George III next to the Washington monument? How about a Isoroku Yamamoto at Pearl Harbor? After all, all those statues would merely be 'historic' by your own claims.

I doubt I'd lose any sleep over any of the above, but then again I'm not on the losing end of last November's election...


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14 Sep 2017, 12:24 pm

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As for Raptor's comment, well, if you'll remember this all started with Nikki Haley taking down the confederate flag in July of 2015, a full year and a half before the election, the facts negate your claim. Also these symbols were removed from public property by the local communities that were hosting them, not antifa, not 'liberals, not 'northerners', but your own southern brothers and sisters who are ready to move on from the divisions the aristocratic southerners saddled the south with 150 years ago.


I'ts been going on longer than that. Nikki Haley was only placating the masses after the Charleston church shooting, nothing more than a calculated political move. I suppose I might look at it differently if the left hadn't acted like spoiled children after the election. I'm still seeing it and will continue seeing it a continuation a sore loser tantrum.

Yep, we're saying no to pretty much everything from your side, it's the same treatment you gave after the 2008/2012 elections. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.



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14 Sep 2017, 12:26 pm

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I also posit this: How many confederate supporters would accept the flag of Mexico flying next to the Texas flag, or a whole boatload of Santa Anna statues lining the state capital in Austin? How about a King George III next to the Washington monument? How about a Isoroku Yamamoto at Pearl Harbor? After all, all those statues would merely be 'historic' by your own claims.

I doubt I'd lose any sleep over any of the above, but then again I'm not on the losing end of last November's election...

Those are all highly offensive symbols if you've read our history, do you even consider yourself an American?



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14 Sep 2017, 12:28 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
I've never seen a group get so attached to PARTICIPATION TROPHIES.


And I've never seen a group so butthurt over losing an election that they'd go after statues.

And you have lived only a short spell on this earth.Nothing new under the sun lil' Skippy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae


Nothing new, but I'm sure it's not just a coincidence that it's being implemented after last November's stinging loss.

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14 Sep 2017, 12:30 pm

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As for Raptor's comment, well, if you'll remember this all started with Nikki Haley taking down the confederate flag in July of 2015, a full year and a half before the election, the facts negate your claim. Also these symbols were removed from public property by the local communities that were hosting them, not antifa, not 'liberals, not 'northerners', but your own southern brothers and sisters who are ready to move on from the divisions the aristocratic southerners saddled the south with 150 years ago.


I'ts been going on longer than that. Nikki Haley was only placating the masses after the Charleston church shooting, nothing more than a calculated political move. I suppose I might look at it differently if the left hadn't acted like spoiled children after the election. I'm still seeing it and will continue seeing it a continuation a sore loser tantrum.

Yep, we're saying no to pretty much everything from your side, it's the same treatment you gave after the 2008/2012 elections. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.


Can you find some video of all the rioting you're implying we did?
No, the birther movement don't even come close.


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14 Sep 2017, 12:35 pm

Raptor wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
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As for Raptor's comment, well, if you'll remember this all started with Nikki Haley taking down the confederate flag in July of 2015, a full year and a half before the election, the facts negate your claim. Also these symbols were removed from public property by the local communities that were hosting them, not antifa, not 'liberals, not 'northerners', but your own southern brothers and sisters who are ready to move on from the divisions the aristocratic southerners saddled the south with 150 years ago.


I'ts been going on longer than that. Nikki Haley was only placating the masses after the Charleston church shooting, nothing more than a calculated political move. I suppose I might look at it differently if the left hadn't acted like spoiled children after the election. I'm still seeing it and will continue seeing it a continuation a sore loser tantrum.

Yep, we're saying no to pretty much everything from your side, it's the same treatment you gave after the 2008/2012 elections. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.


Can you find some video of all the rioting you're implying we did?
No, the birther movement don't even come close.

I never implied anything about rioting, I'm focused on your refusal to even negotiate with the sitting president at the time and grinding government to a standstill. Hell, even democrats were able to bridge divides with a truly antagonistic president just last week, something your side couldn't come to do in 8 years.



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14 Sep 2017, 12:37 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
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I also posit this: How many confederate supporters would accept the flag of Mexico flying next to the Texas flag, or a whole boatload of Santa Anna statues lining the state capital in Austin? How about a King George III next to the Washington monument? How about a Isoroku Yamamoto at Pearl Harbor? After all, all those statues would merely be 'historic' by your own claims.

I doubt I'd lose any sleep over any of the above, but then again I'm not on the losing end of last November's election...

Those are all highly offensive symbols if you've read our history, do you even consider yourself an American?


Well, we only learnt readin' ritin' and 'rithmatic in that thar log scoolhous I got muh 5th graid edgicashun at so I don't no 'bout no histree or nothin fancee like that.

And you still lost the election :lol: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:


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14 Sep 2017, 12:38 pm

Raptor wrote:
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Raptor wrote:
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I also posit this: How many confederate supporters would accept the flag of Mexico flying next to the Texas flag, or a whole boatload of Santa Anna statues lining the state capital in Austin? How about a King George III next to the Washington monument? How about a Isoroku Yamamoto at Pearl Harbor? After all, all those statues would merely be 'historic' by your own claims.

I doubt I'd lose any sleep over any of the above, but then again I'm not on the losing end of last November's election...

Those are all highly offensive symbols if you've read our history, do you even consider yourself an American?


Well, we only learnt readin' ritin' and 'rithmatic in that thar log scoolhous I got muh 5th graid edgicashun at so I don't no 'bout no histree or nothin fancee like that.

And you still lost the election :lol: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

We may have lost, but you certainly didn't win, if you did you'd have some kind of legislation to show for it. :lol: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:



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14 Sep 2017, 12:45 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
As for Raptor's comment, well, if you'll remember this all started with Nikki Haley taking down the confederate flag in July of 2015, a full year and a half before the election, the facts negate your claim. Also these symbols were removed from public property by the local communities that were hosting them, not antifa, not 'liberals, not 'northerners', but your own southern brothers and sisters who are ready to move on from the divisions the aristocratic southerners saddled the south with 150 years ago.


I'ts been going on longer than that. Nikki Haley was only placating the masses after the Charleston church shooting, nothing more than a calculated political move. I suppose I might look at it differently if the left hadn't acted like spoiled children after the election. I'm still seeing it and will continue seeing it a continuation a sore loser tantrum.

Yep, we're saying no to pretty much everything from your side, it's the same treatment you gave after the 2008/2012 elections. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.


Can you find some video of all the rioting you're implying we did?
No, the birther movement don't even come close.

I never implied anything about rioting, I'm focused on your refusal to even negotiate with the sitting president at the time and grinding government to a standstill. Hell, even democrats were able to bridge divides with a truly antagonistic president just last week, something your side couldn't come to do in 8 years.


I guess what you want is a one party system so that the (democratic) president can do just about whatever he wants.
NOT!
Either way, we didn't riot and it's that rioting that will be remembered much longer and more unfavorably than republican congressman doing what the voters elected them for.


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14 Sep 2017, 1:05 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
I also posit this: How many confederate supporters would accept the flag of Mexico flying next to the Texas flag, or a whole boatload of Santa Anna statues lining the state capital in Austin? How about a King George III next to the Washington monument? How about a Isoroku Yamamoto at Pearl Harbor? After all, all those statues would merely be 'historic' by your own claims.

I doubt I'd lose any sleep over any of the above, but then again I'm not on the losing end of last November's election...

Those are all highly offensive symbols if you've read our history, do you even consider yourself an American?


Well, we only learnt readin' ritin' and 'rithmatic in that thar log scoolhous I got muh 5th graid edgicashun at so I don't no 'bout no histree or nothin fancee like that.

And you still lost the election :lol: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

We may have lost, but you certainly didn't win, if you did you'd have some kind of legislation to show for it. :lol: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

The left's stinging loss and subsequent mental suffering has been victory enough. :twisted:


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