16yo Thunberg: She’s the MVP Aspie of the world! IMO

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I would probably irritated with her if I were her father. I would not want to deny myself the opportunity of flying to places so I can explore them. Her parents feel differently than I would feel. They believe more in what she is saying about climate change.

I am certainly not an climate-change alarmist.

But....I don't feel people should be attacking Greta personally.

Attack her ideas---fine. But not her.

Even big oil company's internal reviews acknowledge that CO2 emisions are warming the climate. If some people are angry that millions have been spent on covering up the facts which pose a real threat, that's quite justified.

I understand that you don't like the hyperbole but big business has to be held accountable. As for the free market, capitalism and conservatives getting some of the flak, is that coming from Greta or Time Magazine?

Assessing ExxonMobil's climate change communications (1977–2014)

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa815f

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So basically, your point is that people criticize those they disagree with and those people are only not criticizing her because they agree with her and her position?

Golly gee, colour me shocked and chagrined.

I'm sure we'd pat each other on the back more often if we agreed about more issues too.

So saying something critical about a public speaker's demeanor is taboo?

What aspects of her demeanour are you uncomfortable with?

It's the typical sanctimonious hypocrisy that I am pointing out smart aleck. "How dare they?! Attacking an autistic child! <wipe away tear>.

Like I said in another thread; Those same types slammed an autistic boy plenty of times. I really felt like they were trying to bully me off WP. So maybe you can see why I'm cynical regarding their show of pious outrage.

Me personally? None. But apparently saying something like she needs to chill out some is highly offensive, bullying and immoral or whatever.

This notion that people who say things about her demeanor like chill out or joke about "how DARE you?!" are feeling threatened or uncomfortable is absurd. Like I said if she's too young/fragile to receive the same kinds of comments other public speakers get, she needs to be taken out of the spotlight until she is an adult.

It's not "taboo"----it's just not nice.

I wouldn't seek to drive anybody from WrongPlanet for having an opinion. That's ridiculous.

Only if somebody espouses Nazism, Incel ideology, abortion of autistic babies, things like that.

Well I think Trump's just jealous because he wanted to be Time's Person of the Year himself. No one else must steal the show!

Which is why he has to say something. Not for him the motto "if you can't say something nice rather don't say anything at all".

I got both slammed for what I said and how they thought I was acting. Really they just wanted to get me to shut up. Most of them are gone now.

Ironically the person who started this thread claimed because I am autistic I had the maturity level of a young child and other put downs intended to discredit me because my age. And even recently a very pro-Greta person basically disqualified me as being "just a kid". Even though I am an adult now.

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You have a right to be here----just like they have a right to be here (as long as they are following the rules).

If I get "slammed," I just slam them back----but in a nicer way than how they "slammed me."

But so they will get the message.

Firstly, if you had of stood up for some substantial cause and Obama repeatedly criticized you on some sort of social media, he would have received a similar level of outrage as Trump's behaviour towards Ms. Thunberg did. By the standards Trump operates at, his negative comments towards her have been relatively measured, let's face it, if he called her 'that ret*d Norwegian girl who isn't even a 9' no one would have been shocked. But, he speaks from a position that once demanded great respect, and that power imbalance is part of what leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. The president of Brazil was ruder than Trump was, but he's a less significant figure. Trump's minions are often far worse towards her, but it's immaterial to just block them and get on with life.

Personally, I've called some of what's been directed towards her cruel and needlessly insulting, but no need for tears, that's the nature of the internet. I largely agree that if it's too much to ask of her that she should be encouraged to go back to being as normal as possible and let someone a few years older handle it for at least a few years. Why should someone that age be expected to devote that much energy and time to that sort of cause when they still have a bunch of other important personal priorities to deal with, many of which are somewhat time-sensitive.

This is somewhat of a tangent, but the bolded kind of stood out to me. This seems to be a really common experience on here, and it makes me curious how often the posters who've made other posters feel like they're be driven off are even aware that's the impact they're having, let alone intending it. It seems to be fairly universal, in the sense that people from all over the political spectrum have complained about it in the years I've been here. Between a general tendency to phrase things fairly bluntly and a tendency to take criticisms personally, I'm not sure this is an unexpected trend on a forum focused on ASD.

Perhaps those posters who are to fragile to deal with discussing social and political issues and the comments that result should refrain, or would it that be an unfair expectation? It's certainly a lot less negativity (how often does one get disagreement from more than a half-dozen people on here?) to deal with, and entirely from similarly irrelevant nobodies.

Or would it be more reasonable to expect that everyone make more of an effort to try to avoid causing butthurt when they disagree?

I don't have an answer, but I know you're not alone in that experience.

For what it's worth, there's posters I both disagree with and dislike, but most of the posters I disagree with I'm fairly neutral or somewhat positive towards as people.

They understand that disqualifies her too, right?

It's only relevant to me because the same types who are saying everyone must be all nicey nice to Greta because she is an autistic teenager, were not that way towards me. I wasn't all that butthurt by it. I took satisfaction in giving as good as I got. Even though it earned me some official warnings.

(All about me) I sometimes wonder if I have inadvertently driven posters away from here before, or if I am one of those "passive aggressive" posters a few in this forum bring up. I kind of don't really know my social status on this forum.

There are some who are too fragile to be involved in internet discussions. I think it's often more them realizing that and leaving, rather than you or anyone driving them away.