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01 Jun 2020, 6:17 pm

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I’ve watched all the videos and don’t see him resisting at all
Also suspicious is they had him on right side of the car against a wall then take him around to the left side away from the camera. Why didn’t they put him in the right side? Perhaps trying to avoid the camera so they could abuse him. 4th officer seems to be looking out for cameras. We’re their body cams off? I hate thst they can just turn them off. They should be turned on when they go to duty and locked on.

Regarding resisting arrest ...

1. The first officers on the scene have to pull him out his car.
2. He suddenly falls to the ground when they bring him near the police car.


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01 Jun 2020, 6:17 pm

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Rioting in front of the WH?

Storm the fence! Storm the fence!

Re: Seattle rioting: If you're going to loot a city in the PNW, loot Boise.

This is just as stupid as raid Area 51.
Sure do both if you want to get shot cause that’s what will happen


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01 Jun 2020, 6:19 pm

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sly279 wrote:
I’ve watched all the videos and don’t see him resisting at all
Also suspicious is they had him on right side of the car against a wall then take him around to the left side away from the camera. Why didn’t they put him in the right side? Perhaps trying to avoid the camera so they could abuse him. 4th officer seems to be looking out for cameras. We’re their body cams off? I hate thst they can just turn them off. They should be turned on when they go to duty and locked on.

Regarding resisting arrest ...

1. The first officers on the scene have to pull him out the his car.
2. He suddenly falls to the ground when they bring him near the police car.

They took him out of his car over to a wall left him there for few mins then take him to the police car where rsther then putting him in on the right side which is closer , they choose to take him around to the left outside of view of the camera.
That’s super guilty looking. Any of good cop would put I’m in on the right side which was closer.


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01 Jun 2020, 6:21 pm

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TheRobotLives wrote:
sly279 wrote:
I’ve watched all the videos and don’t see him resisting at all
Also suspicious is they had him on right side of the car against a wall then take him around to the left side away from the camera. Why didn’t they put him in the right side? Perhaps trying to avoid the camera so they could abuse him. 4th officer seems to be looking out for cameras. We’re their body cams off? I hate thst they can just turn them off. They should be turned on when they go to duty and locked on.

Regarding resisting arrest ...

1. The first officers on the scene have to pull him out the his car.
2. He suddenly falls to the ground when they bring him near the police car.

They took him out of his car over to a wall left him there for few mins then take him to the police car where rsther then putting him in on the right side which is closer , they choose to take him around to the left outside of view of the camera.
That’s super guilty looking. Any of good cop would put I’m in on the right side which was closer.

Right, cause why lay him down in the street , where traffic might be a concern ??

Maybe so the public cannot see what they're doing.


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01 Jun 2020, 6:22 pm

https://www.verywellhealth.com/do-i-hav ... ed-1298422


".... This has more to do with Good Samaritan laws than CPR certification. In every state, there is some sort of protection from lawsuits for any person providing emergency medical care to a victim of a medical emergency, as long as the rescuer doesn't expect to get paid for the care.

In 49 states, the decision to help is entirely up to the would-be rescuer. He or she can choose to help the patient or not, and nothing will happen. Of course, rescuers who are part of an organized ambulance agency, fire department, law enforcement organization or rescue squad have what is known as a duty to act and are usually bound to provide help.

Right about now, you've probably noticed that I said 49 states and you're wondering about Vermont – well, you're wondering about the 50th state, which happens to be Vermont.

Vermont's Good Samaritan law requires rescuers to help in the case of an emergency. They aren't kidding around; Vermont's residents aren't counting on the charity of the human race (or at least not the charity of fellow Vermonters). Those who do not help during an emergency face a fine of $100. Training of any sort is not mentioned in the Vermont law. In other words: you have to help out because you're human, not because you're trained".

These cops would be trained in CPR or emergency response.
They had a legal and ethical duty to help, not hurt, this poor man.


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01 Jun 2020, 6:25 pm

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What's the endgame with all of this? I know at this point there's an amalgamation of non-violent protesters who are reacting to racial inequality and bias in regard to law enforcement (as am I) as well as looters who are only using this as cover for self-serving theft and destruction of property; a flare up.

What's the endgame? Perpetual destruction, violence and pillaging with no demands, terms, platform or concrete solutions? For any of this to be taken seriously there should be a coalescence of leadership that should form and give a unified voice to the "protesters" (looting and firebombing neighborhood businesses isn't protest).

Proponents of anarchy need to remember that without a rule of law of any kind, it's survival of the fittest. How fit are you?


People online are calling it a revolution so I guess the end game is the overthrow and collapse of the USA government then the nation plunging into a civil war and anarchy.
Cause that will surely bring equality and less black deaths.
But I suspect the people doing it don’t care about Floyd and just want the us to collapse.
The more likely result though is a even worse police state then we currently have.
I see plenty of police budge increases come in the future :( probably more apcs and machine guns being given out. The police will become more militarized. As is it’s hard to tell who’s national guy vs police on the streets right now since many police are wearing military uniforms and carrying m4s. It’s terrible.


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01 Jun 2020, 6:27 pm

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https://www.verywellhealth.com/do-i-have-to-do-cpr-if-im-cpr-certified-1298422


".... This has more to do with Good Samaritan laws than CPR certification. In every state, there is some sort of protection from lawsuits for any person providing emergency medical care to a victim of a medical emergency, as long as the rescuer doesn't expect to get paid for the care.

In 49 states, the decision to help is entirely up to the would-be rescuer. He or she can choose to help the patient or not, and nothing will happen. Of course, rescuers who are part of an organized ambulance agency, fire department, law enforcement organization or rescue squad have what is known as a duty to act and are usually bound to provide help.

Right about now, you've probably noticed that I said 49 states and you're wondering about Vermont – well, you're wondering about the 50th state, which happens to be Vermont.

Vermont's Good Samaritan law requires rescuers to help in the case of an emergency. They aren't kidding around; Vermont's residents aren't counting on the charity of the human race (or at least not the charity of fellow Vermonters). Those who do not help during an emergency face a fine of $100. Training of any sort is not mentioned in the Vermont law. In other words: you have to help out because you're human, not because you're trained".

These cops would be trained in CPR or emergency response.
They had a legal and ethical duty to help, not hurt, this poor man.


Actually, I was told by a member of a Florida fire department that you are only required to assist while off duty as a firefighter or other first responder if you display an identifying marker that you are employed as such.



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01 Jun 2020, 6:29 pm

My point wasn't about off-duty people.
It was about the men who were on active duty, whose behaviour led directly to a defenceless man's death for petty crime.


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01 Jun 2020, 6:31 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
sly279 wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
sly279 wrote:
I’ve watched all the videos and don’t see him resisting at all
Also suspicious is they had him on right side of the car against a wall then take him around to the left side away from the camera. Why didn’t they put him in the right side? Perhaps trying to avoid the camera so they could abuse him. 4th officer seems to be looking out for cameras. We’re their body cams off? I hate thst they can just turn them off. They should be turned on when they go to duty and locked on.

Regarding resisting arrest ...

1. The first officers on the scene have to pull him out the his car.
2. He suddenly falls to the ground when they bring him near the police car.

They took him out of his car over to a wall left him there for few mins then take him to the police car where rsther then putting him in on the right side which is closer , they choose to take him around to the left outside of view of the camera.
That’s super guilty looking. Any of good cop would put I’m in on the right side which was closer.

Right, cause why lay him down in the street , where traffic might be a concern ??

Maybe so the public cannot see what they're doing.


The right side of the car is on the sidewalk. They took Him to the left where traffic is.
Yes they didn’t want any proof of what they were doing. Unfortunately for them there were cameras on the other side of the street they didn’t notice.


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01 Jun 2020, 6:31 pm

Trump says he will invoke 1807 law to mobilize military in US

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President Trump said he is invoking an 1807 law to mobilize the military around the country and "quickly solve the problem."

"I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them. I am also taking swift and decisive action to protect our great capitol, Washington, DC. What happened in this city last night was a total disgrace," he said.

He continued: "Those who threaten innocent life and property will be arrested, detained and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I want the organizers of this terror to be on notice that you will face severe criminal penalties and lengthy sentences in jail."

President Trump announced today in a Rose Garden statement that he is taking immediate presidential action to "stop the violence and restore security and safety in America" and is mobilizing federal resources to stop rioting and looting.

Trump said his measures would be effective "immediately" and said he has "strongly recommended" to every governor to deploy the National Guard in "sufficient numbers that we dominate the streets."

Trump said mayors and governors must establish an "overwhelming law enforcement presence until the violence has been quelled." If the city or state refuses to take the actions, Trump said he would deploy the US military.

The President said he is also taking "swift and decisive action" to protect the nation's capital including dispatching "thousands and thousands of heavily armed soldiers, military personnel, and law enforcement officers to stop the rioting, looting, vandalism, assaults, and the wanton destruction of property."

He also said the 7 p.m. ET curfew in the city will be "strictly enforced."


Police appear to throw tear gas into crowds near White House
Police appeared to throw tear gas into the crowds to disperse protesters near the White House.

Protesters can be seen raising their hands at police and chanting "don't shoot!"

Illinois governor rejects Trump's mobilization of troops
n response to President Trump threatening to invoke the 1807 law to mobilize the military around the country, Illinois Gov. J. B. Pritzker said Monday that he rejects "that the federal government can send troops into the state of Illinois."

"The fact is that the President has created an incendiary moment here," Pritzker told CNN's Erin Burnett. "He wants to change the subject from his failure over coronavirus, a miserable failure and now seeing a moment when there's unrest because of the injustice that was done to George Floyd that he now wants to create another topic and something where he can be the law and order president."



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The Insurrection Act of 1807 is a United States federal law (10 U.S.C. §§ 251–255; prior to 2016, 10 U.S.C. §§ 331–335) that governs the ability of the President of the United States to deploy military troops within the United States to suppress civil disorder, insurrection, and rebellion.

The general purpose of the Insurrection Act is to limit presidential power, relying on state and local governments for initial response in the event of insurrection. The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of the United States Army and Air Force (which has also been extended by executive direction to the Navy) for routine law enforcement. Actions taken under the Insurrection Act, as an "Act of Congress", are exempt from the Posse Comitatus Act.

The Insurrection Act is brief. It allows the President, at the request of a state government, to federalize the National Guard and to use the remainder of the Armed Forces to suppress an insurrection against that state's government. It further allows for the President to do the same in a state without the explicit consent of a state's government if it becomes impracticable to enforce federal laws through ordinary proceedings or if states are unable to safeguard its inhabitants' civil rights.

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Pentagon Says Up to 800 National Guard Heading to Washington
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The Pentagon said 600 to 800 National Guard troops are being sent to Washington as President Donald Trump seeks to quell another night of protests in the U.S. capital.

Security forces fired tear gas to force peaceful demonstrators away from the White House on Monday just before Trump gave brief remarks in the Rose Garden.

“I am dispatching thousands and thousands of heavily armed soldiers,” Trump said in his remarks without elaboration.

Pentagon officials said an active-duty unit from outside the Washington region has been moved into the area and put on heightened alert but wasn’t immediately deployed into the capital city.

Protests that turned violent across the nation over the weekend appeared to infuriate Trump, who earlier on Monday berated governors for not cracking down harder to stop rioting and looting that has overshadowed peaceful demonstrations after the death of a black man in police custody in Minnesota.

Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, Attorney General William Barr and other top officials planned to monitor the continuing protests in Washington at the Justice Department on Monday evening, according to a senior defense official who asked not to be identified.

Pentagon officials said the primary role of the new National Guard forces would be to defend national monuments, protect the White House and coordinate with Washington’s police.

The additional National Guard forces were coming from Delaware, New Jersey, New York, Ohio and Utah, according to the official.


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President Trump said he is invoking an 1807 law to mobilize the military around the country and "quickly solve the problem."

WOW. This is getting nuts.


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01 Jun 2020, 6:35 pm

I can think of a very comparable story, from personal experience.

A female friend of mine broke up with a man because he was addicted to crack. He broke into her house, held her hostage with knives for several hours, left with her chequebook, vanished, and later forged her signature on several cheques to steal a large sum of money for more cocaine. There was a manhunt for him.

When he was caught, he resisted arrest and attacked an officer before being cuffed. Once cuffed, he got bail, and was released into his mother's care for several months until trial, where he was charged with multiple felonies including bank theft, violence, and attempted murder, all under the influence of cocaine.

George Floyd wrote a bad cheque too, but the outcome was gravely different.


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01 Jun 2020, 6:37 pm

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So, back on topic; the independent autopsy report into the killing of George Floyd returned results that are at odds with the county examiner's report, but much more consistent with what the video shows. The independent report describes the cause of death as asphyxia due to neck and back compression in contrast with the county's autopsy which returned no findings to support traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.


https://globalnews.ca/news/7012541/asph ... d-autopsy/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... d-1008625/
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/86721913 ... y-asphyxia


This has been splashed all over the Australian news this morning.

While Trump is hiding in the whitehouse with his lights switched off drawing plans to attack Antifa he seems to have ignored

1) George Floyd is now officially been murdered by the police
2) Chauvin's 3rd degree should now be upgraded to first degree as there is evidence Chauvin knew Floyd and worked together and this may have been payback
3) the three Asian cops who stood around should be charged as accomplices (one of these idiots tried to tazer a member of the public)
4) The police medical coroner should be charged with fraud and being an accomplice to murder
5) the entire Minneapolis police force should be investigated by the FBI
6) the entire US police force should be bought into line with the rest of the civilised world with regard to human rights
7) police forces in other countries should also be purged of psychopaths (we have aboriginal deaths in custody here in Australia where nobody in the force is charged)



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funeralxempire wrote:
So, back on topic; the independent autopsy report into the killing of George Floyd returned results that are at odds with the county examiner's report, but much more consistent with what the video shows. The independent report describes the cause of death as asphyxia due to neck and back compression in contrast with the county's autopsy which returned no findings to support traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.


https://globalnews.ca/news/7012541/asph ... d-autopsy/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... d-1008625/
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/86721913 ... y-asphyxia


This has been splashed all over the Australian news this morning.

While Trump is hiding in the whitehouse with his lights switched off drawing plans to attack Antifa he seems to have ignored

1) George Floyd is now officially been murdered by the police
2) Chauvin's 3rd degree should now be upgraded to first degree as there is evidence Chauvin knew Floyd and worked together and this may have been payback
3) the three Asian cops who stood around should be charged as accomplices (one of these idiots tried to tazer a member of the public)
4) The police medical coroner should be charged with fraud and being an accomplice to murder
5) the entire Minneapolis police force should be investigated by the FBI
6) the entire US police force should be bought into line with the rest of the civilised world with regard to human rights
7) police forces in other countries should also be purged of psychopaths (we have aboriginal deaths in custody here in Australia where nobody in the force is charged)


Hard to do any of that while the nations burning down.
Got to put the fire out first.
If the USA collapses then who will punish the cop?


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01 Jun 2020, 6:46 pm

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Hard to do any of that while the nations burning down.
Got to put the fire out first.
If the USA collapses then who will punish the cop?


El Presidente should grow some balls and address my points like any decent leader should, if does that I am sure the protestors will disperse faster than sending in troops which will be a repeat of the hurricane Katrina debacle where you had victims of the hurricane being targeted by the army.



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sly279 wrote:
Hard to do any of that while the nations burning down.
Got to put the fire out first.
If the USA collapses then who will punish the cop?


El Presidente should grow some balls and address my points like any decent leader should, if does that I am sure the protestors will disperse faster than sending in troops which will be a repeat of the hurricane Katrina debacle where you had victims of the hurricane being targeted by the army.

There's also Breonna Taylor who was shot in her bed by police.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/21/us/breon ... index.html


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