Page 23 of 45 [ 709 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26 ... 45  Next

Pepe
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Jun 2013
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 26,635
Location: Australia

16 Nov 2021, 3:00 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
Pepe wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I am assuming 3 men *were* chasing *him*, before any shots were made.
Please correct me if I am wrong. 8)

He killed Rosenbaum, and then he fled, and was chased by a crowd of people.

The crowd was calling for someone to "get him".


Now, could you provide evidence of what you have stated?

Or you can do some research on a topic you're posting a lot about?

What I said above is not disputed, and is on video.


Unless you provide a link I can only take your word for it.
That is not good enough, for me.
If you are comfortable with this arrangement, don't. 8)

I am more interested in the facts.
This should be easily attained if you have seen the video evidence.



TheRobotLives
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 7 Dec 2019
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,092
Location: Quiet, Dark, Comfy Spot

16 Nov 2021, 3:45 pm

Pepe wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Pepe wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I am assuming 3 men *were* chasing *him*, before any shots were made.
Please correct me if I am wrong. 8)

He killed Rosenbaum, and then he fled, and was chased by a crowd of people.

The crowd was calling for someone to "get him".


Now, could you provide evidence of what you have stated?

Or you can do some research on a topic you're posting a lot about?

What I said above is not disputed, and is on video.


Unless you provide a link I can only take your word for it.
That is not good enough, for me.
If you are comfortable with this arrangement, don't. 8)

I am more interested in the facts.
This should be easily attained if you have seen the video evidence.

You don't seem interested in facts, because you won't bother to even go to youtube, and watch the Rittenhouse videos.


_________________
Then a hero comes along, with the strength to carry on, and you cast your fears aside, and you know you can survive.

Be the hero of your life.


Pepe
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Jun 2013
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 26,635
Location: Australia

16 Nov 2021, 4:02 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
Pepe wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Pepe wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I am assuming 3 men *were* chasing *him*, before any shots were made.
Please correct me if I am wrong. 8)

He killed Rosenbaum, and then he fled, and was chased by a crowd of people.

The crowd was calling for someone to "get him".


Now, could you provide evidence of what you have stated?

Or you can do some research on a topic you're posting a lot about?

What I said above is not disputed, and is on video.


Unless you provide a link I can only take your word for it.
That is not good enough, for me.
If you are comfortable with this arrangement, don't. 8)

I am more interested in the facts.
This should be easily attained if you have seen the video evidence.

You don't seem interested in facts, because you won't bother to even go to youtube, and watch the Rittenhouse videos.


Incorrect.
I am not interested in *chasing* "the facts", in this instance, when it is the onus of the person making a statement to provide the evidence why they are saying what they say if it is requested. 8)

If you don't want to support your position with factual evidence, it is your choice.
I am not pressuring you. :shrug:

However, :mrgreen:
The consequence of you not doing so is that there is no resolution.
"Believe what I say because I say it" has little influence on me. 8)



cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

16 Nov 2021, 4:06 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
This may have gone unnoticed ..

"Prosecutors were given a boost Friday when Judge Bruce Schroeder ruled they could argue that Rittenhouse had provoked the initial encounter with Rosenbaum by raising his weapon in the moments before Rosenbaum began to chase him".

So, the prosecutor argued that Rittenhouse provoked Rosenbaum to chase him.


And so this comes back (again) to what precipitated the whole chain of events. I have repeated this often in this thread.

1. Rittenhouse is witnessed strutting around with the Kenosha Militia intimidating protesters
2. Rittenhouse is witnessed taking sniper position on top/near a pharmacy
3. Rittenhopuse is recorded saying he is glad to have a weapon as he wants to shoot BLM protesters
Now insert prosecution case
4. Rttenhouse goes on his own and points his gun at Rosenbaum
5. Rosenbaum chases him (at this point the Kenosha Militia exit wanting to have nothing to do with Rittenhouse)
6, Chain of events are caught on video

Again, the critical factor here is the Kenosha militia they were filmed near Rittenhouse up to the time Rosenbaum starts chasing him. Interestingly they choose to leave rather than help Rittenhouse which suggests to me that Rittenhouse must have started acting in a dangerous manner.

The right wing media avoid any mention of the militia because on that topic there is a code of silence but they are labelling the protesters who chased him nutjobs and terrorists when in reality they legit saw Rittenhouse as an active shooter and Huber and GrossKreutz were doing their civic duty.



Pepe
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Jun 2013
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 26,635
Location: Australia

16 Nov 2021, 4:12 pm

cyberdad wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
This may have gone unnoticed ..

"Prosecutors were given a boost Friday when Judge Bruce Schroeder ruled they could argue that Rittenhouse had provoked the initial encounter with Rosenbaum by raising his weapon in the moments before Rosenbaum began to chase him".

So, the prosecutor argued that Rittenhouse provoked Rosenbaum to chase him.


And so this comes back (again) to what precipitated the whole chain of events. I have repeated this often in this thread.

1. Rittenhouse is witnessed strutting around with the Kenosha Militia intimidating protesters
2. Rittenhouse is witnessed taking sniper position on top/near a pharmacy
3. Rittenhopuse is recorded saying he is glad to have a weapon as he wants to shoot BLM protesters
Now insert prosecution case
4. Rttenhouse goes on his own and points his gun at Rosenbaum
5. Rosenbaum chases him (at this point the Kenosha Militia exit wanting to have nothing to do with Rittenhouse)
6, Chain of events are caught on video


Sounds pretty damning.
Could you provide a link to that video you have seen?

cyberdad wrote:
Again, the critical factor here is the Kenosha militia they were filmed near Rittenhouse up to the time Rosenbaum starts chasing him. Interestingly they choose to leave rather than help Rittenhouse which suggests to me that Rittenhouse must have started acting in a dangerous manner.

The right wing media avoid any mention of the militia because on that topic there is a code of silence but they are labelling the protesters who chased him nutjobs and terrorists when in reality they legit saw Rittenhouse as an active shooter and Huber and GrossKreutz were doing their civic duty.


Interesting. 8)



cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

16 Nov 2021, 4:12 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
Don't you realize how entirely misleading one snippet of time can be? I learned long ago not to read into photos like this. What you think you see is usually wrong, in my experience. People who aren't bored yawn. It could mean he was too stressed to sleep well, among other things. And funny moments can happen in court.


And conversely you think Rittenhouse's timed crying comes from the bottom of his little heart. Legal defense teams coach their clients to behave/act in manner in accordance with maximising the potential to mitigate any charges leading to prosecution.

The famous South African legal case against Oscar Pistorius (Blade runner) is a classic example where everybody in the court knew Pistorious was faking his crying when he took the stand. The interpretation in that case is he wasn't crying because he shot his then girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp but because he was scared about going to jail and facing the consequences. The judge didn't buy his crying because prior to and subsequently he never showed emotion.

Rittenhouse shows no remorse either.



Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 6 May 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 60,939
Location:      

16 Nov 2021, 4:16 pm

Criminals are rarely sorry for committing their crimes; but only for having been caught, tried, convicted, and sentenced.  There should be laws and penalties against the display of Crocodile Tears on the witness stand.



Pepe
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Jun 2013
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 26,635
Location: Australia

16 Nov 2021, 4:22 pm

cyberdad wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Don't you realize how entirely misleading one snippet of time can be? I learned long ago not to read into photos like this. What you think you see is usually wrong, in my experience. People who aren't bored yawn. It could mean he was too stressed to sleep well, among other things. And funny moments can happen in court.


And conversely you think Rittenhouse's timed crying comes from the bottom of his little heart. Legal defense teams coach their clients to behave/act in manner in accordance with maximising the potential to mitigate any charges leading to prosecution.


I hope you aren't suggesting being charged with murder isn't a stressful situation for the accused. 8O

cyberdad wrote:
The famous South African legal case against Oscar Pistorius (Blade runner) is a classic example where everybody in the court knew Pistorious was faking his crying when he took the stand. The interpretation in that case is he wasn't crying because he shot his then girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp but because he was scared about going to jail and facing the consequences. The judge didn't buy his crying because prior to and subsequently he never showed emotion.

Rittenhouse shows no remorse either.


"When you meet one NT, you meet one NT." :mrgreen:
Not every human reacts the same way or has the same mindset.
Your argument isn't convincing. 8)

I am not saying you are wrong, here.
I am saying you are simply speculating. 8)

Please consider:
Rittenhouse is a stupid kid and would hardly have the same mindset as a hitherto responsible adult.
Life is more complicated than many people suspect. 8)



Pepe
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Jun 2013
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 26,635
Location: Australia

16 Nov 2021, 4:28 pm

Fnord wrote:
Criminals are rarely sorry for committing their crimes; but only for having been caught, tried, convicted, and sentenced.  There should be laws and penalties against the display of Crocodile Tears on the witness stand.[/color]


Laws "against the display of Crocodile Tears".
I find your comment amusing. :mrgreen:

Also, your assumption that they were "Crocodile Tears" is simply speculation.
Please consider: He is a stupid *kid* and has a limited "well of experience" to draw upon. 8)



Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 6 May 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 60,939
Location:      

16 Nov 2021, 4:36 pm

The jury's only job is to render a unanimous verdict of "guilty" or "not guilty" on each of the five felony charges:

1. "First-degree reckless homicide, use of a dangerous weapon": Rittenhouse recklessly caused the death of Rosenbaum under circumstances that showed utter disregard for human life.

2. "First-degree recklessly endangering safety, use of a dangerous weapon": Rittenhouse recklessly endangered the safety of Richard McGinniss -- a journalist with the conservative Daily Caller -- under circumstances that show utter disregard for human life.

3. "First-degree recklessly endangering safety, use of a dangerous weapon": Rittenhouse recklessly endangered the safety of an unknown male, referred to as "jump kick man" in court, under circumstances that show utter disregard for human life.

4. "First-degree intentional homicide, use of a dangerous weapon": Rittenhouse caused the death of Huber, with intent to kill him.  This is the most serious charge, which carries a mandatory life sentence.

5. "Attempted first-degree intentional homicide, use of a weapon": Rittenhouse attempted to cause the death of Grosskreutz, with intent to kill him.

These are the charges.  The verdict sheet has no section devoted to "social messaging".  The jury is examining and debating the evidence and testimony.



Last edited by magz on 18 Nov 2021, 12:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.: Edited on request

Pepe
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Jun 2013
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 26,635
Location: Australia

16 Nov 2021, 4:43 pm

Fnord wrote:
The jury's only job is to render a unanimous verdict of "guilty" or "not guilty" on each of the five felony charges:

1. "First-degree reckless homicide, use of a dangerous weapon": Rittenhouse recklessly caused the death of Rosenbaum under circumstances that showed utter disregard for human life.

2. "First-degree recklessly endangering safety, use of a dangerous weapon": Rittenhouse recklessly endangered the safety of Richard McGinniss -- a journalist with the conservative Daily Caller -- under circumstances that show utter disregard for human life.

3. "First-degree recklessly endangering safety, use of a dangerous weapon": Rittenhouse recklessly endangered the safety of an unknown male, referred to as "jump kick man" in court, under circumstances that show utter disregard for human life.

4. "First-degree intentional homicide, use of a dangerous weapon": Rittenhouse caused the death of Huber, with intent to kill him.  This is the most serious charge, which carries a mandatory life sentence.

5. "Attempted first-degree intentional homicide, use of a weapon": Rittenhouse attempted to cause the death of Grosskreutz, with intent to kill him.

These are the charges.  The verdict sheet has no section devoted to "social messaging".  The jury is examining and debating the evidence and testimony.  If they ignore the staged emotionalism of the defendant, then he is likely to be screaming into his pillow before the end of the year.


So, you absolutely know it was staged emotionalism?
"You are a better man than I." 8)

The yardbirds - Mr. You're A Better Man Than I - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com › watch
Lyrics
Can you judge a man
By the way he wears his hair?
Can you read his mind
By the clothes that he wears?
Can you see a bad man
By the pattern on his tie?
Well then, mister, you're a better man than I
Yeah, mister, you're a better man than I
Oh, mister, you're a better man than I
Yeah, mister, you're a better man than I
Could you tell a wise man
By the way he speaks or spells?
Is this more important
Than the stories that he tells?
And call a man a fool
If for wealth he doesn't strive?
Well then, mister, you're a better man than I
Yeah, mister, you're a better man than I
Oh, mister, you're a better man than I
Yeah, mister, you're a better man than I
Can you condemn a man
If you're faith he doesn't hold?
Say the colour of his skin
Is the colour of his soul?
Could you say that men
For king and country all must die?
Well, mister, you're a better man than I
Yeah, mister, you're a better man than I
Oh, mister, you're a better man than I
Yeah, mister, you're a better man than I
Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: Brian Hugg / Mike Hugg
Mister You're a Better Man Than I lyrics © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC



Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 6 May 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 60,939
Location:      

16 Nov 2021, 4:55 pm

The only time the defendant showed any alleged remorse was on the witness stand.  Even then, it was for only a short time.  Once outside the courthouse, he was seen (and recorded) partying with his "Proud Boys" friends.

Rittenhouse was being a "chaos tourist" when he traveled to Kenosha, Wisconsin from his hometown of Antioch, Illinois, in order to initiate violence -- he was the only person to shoot anyone during the protests.

He fired four shots to kill Joseph Rosenbaum, who was unarmed; the first shot fractured Rosenbaum's pelvis, after which he would have been no threat to Rittenhouse at all.  Obviously, he shot Rosenbaum three more times with the intent to kill, and showed no remorse for the cold-blooded murder of Joseph Rosenbaum.

Kyle "Crocodile Tears" Rittenhouse cannot claim self-defense against the alleged danger he created.  He was threatening and provoking others, and should forfeit any right to claim self-defense.



Pepe
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Jun 2013
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 26,635
Location: Australia

16 Nov 2021, 5:07 pm

Fnord wrote:
The only time the defendant showed any alleged remorse was on the witness stand.  Even then, it was for only a short time.  Once outside the courthouse, he was seen (and recorded) partying with his "Proud Boys" friends.

Rittenhouse was being a "chaos tourist" who traveled to Kenosha from his hometown of Antioch, Illinois, in order to initiate violence -- he was the only person to shoot anyone during the protests.

He fired four shots to kill Joseph Rosenbaum, who was unarmed; the first shot fractured Rosenbaum's pelvis, after which he would have been no threat to Rittenhouse at all.  Obviously, he shot Rosenbaum three more times with the intent to kill, and showed no remorse for the cold-blooded murder of Joseph Rosenbaum.

Kyle "Crocodile Tears" Rittenhouse cannot claim self-defense against the alleged danger he created.  He was threatening and provoking others, and should forfeit any right to claim self-defense.[/color]


Was Rittenhouse using an automatic rifle?
If so, was it set on "automatic" or single shot?



Pepe
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Jun 2013
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 26,635
Location: Australia

16 Nov 2021, 5:15 pm

Fnord wrote:
Kyle "Crocodile Tears" Rittenhouse cannot claim self-defense against the alleged danger he created.  He was threatening and provoking others, and should forfeit any right to claim self-defense.[/color]


Lindsy Chamberlin was portrayed as a monster too.

Quote:
The only references to Lindy Chamberlain I’d heard growing up had been unfavourable ones. She was cold, callous, emotionless, blank. How could a quote like: “A dingo ate my baby” become so popular if it was actually true?

Of course, the quote became popular because the media and public never perceived Lindy Chamberlain as a human. She was a monster– well before her trial even ran. And a quote uttered by a grieving mother was used (is still used) to mock and diminish an horrific accident. It became an iconic pop-culture reference; extending as far as Seinfeld and The Simpsons. When I think of how Lindy Chamberlain must have felt about this, I am filled with a clawing sense of shame and heartbreak. How could we get this so wrong?

https://womensagenda.com.au/latest/why- ... nder-bias/



cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

16 Nov 2021, 5:49 pm

Fnord wrote:
Rittenhouse was being a "chaos tourist" when he traveled to Kenosha, Wisconsin from his hometown of Antioch, Illinois, in order to initiate violence -- he was the only person to shoot anyone during the protests.


Its of interest that the now infamous real estate agent Jenna Ryan (the so called blonde terrorist who claimed she would never be charged because she had blonde hair) is also being charged for being a "chaos tourist".

Ryan flew on on a charted jet into the Jan 6 riots to participate in the riots and posted it on her social media. She ironically never damaged property or hurt anybody.

If she can go to jail for being a chaos tourist then why not Rittenhouse?



Last edited by cyberdad on 16 Nov 2021, 5:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.

cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

16 Nov 2021, 5:52 pm

Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Kyle "Crocodile Tears" Rittenhouse cannot claim self-defense against the alleged danger he created.  He was threatening and provoking others, and should forfeit any right to claim self-defense.[/color]


Lindsy Chamberlin was portrayed as a monster too.

Quote:
The only references to Lindy Chamberlain I’d heard growing up had been unfavourable ones. She was cold, callous, emotionless, blank. How could a quote like: “A dingo ate my baby” become so popular if it was actually true?

Of course, the quote became popular because the media and public never perceived Lindy Chamberlain as a human. She was a monster– well before her trial even ran. And a quote uttered by a grieving mother was used (is still used) to mock and diminish an horrific accident. It became an iconic pop-culture reference; extending as far as Seinfeld and The Simpsons. When I think of how Lindy Chamberlain must have felt about this, I am filled with a clawing sense of shame and heartbreak. How could we get this so wrong?

https://womensagenda.com.au/latest/why- ... nder-bias/


Lindy Chamberlain lost her daughter. She was emotional and a wreck before, during and after her sentencing.

Rittenhouse killed two sons from somebody else's family because he wanted to play armed vigilante and showed no emotion or remorse except when he took the stand on cue started staged waterworks

Comparison isn't valid