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29 Mar 2020, 11:31 am
ImagineDragons wrote:
I’m just so very scared .. my anxiety levels are through the roof.
It's probably no more dangerous than a bad cold or a bout of flu.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/19/iss ... ready-ill/
Quote= "Off Guardian" report:
Anything up to 99.2% of all of Italy’s recent Covid19-associated deaths could have been caused by pre-existing chronic conditions, according to a report released by the Istituto Superiore di Sanità (Italian Institute of Health, ISS)
The report was translated and sent to us by Swiss Propaganda Research. Their team have been doing some great work collating and translating sources of information on the coronavirus pandemic. Their daily updated thread, here, is a valuable resource to anyone trying to keep up-to-date.
There are some very important facts here, all ignored by the mainstream.
There’s the epidemiological study done by a Japanese research group that found the case-fatality ratio to potentially be as low as 0.04% (markedly lower even than seasonal flu).
There’s German and Chinese biologists reporting the unproven nature of Covid test kits and that they can generate “false positives”.
There’s the Italian study finding that up to 75% of positive test patients are entirely symptomless, coupled with warnings from Spanish doctors that panic and systemic overload pose a much greater threat to public health than the coronavirus.
As we said, it’s all very valuable information, and we highly recommend you read the whole thread, and check their daily updates. An excellent piece of research.
…but we mostly want to focus on their most recent update, the translation of the ISS report on the morbidity of coronavirus patients. The statistics are highly interesting.
According to this report:
The median age is 80.5 years (79.5 for men, 83.7 for women).
10% of the deceased was over 90 years old; 90% of the deceased was over 70 years old.
Only 0.8% of the deceased had no pre-existing chronic illnesses.
Approximately 75% of the deceased had two or more pre-existing conditions, 50% had three more pre-existing conditions, in particular heart disease, diabetes and cancer.
Five of the deceased were between 31 and 39 years old, all of them with serious pre-existing health conditions (e.g. cancer or heart disease).
The National Health Institute hasn’t yet determined what the patients examined ultimately died of and refers to them in general terms as Covid19-positive deaths.
Consider what these statistics mean, especially the third and final point together, followed to their logical conclusion.
99.2% of Italian Covid19-related deaths were already sick with something else, and the ISS hasn’t actually determined they died of Covid19 at all.
That’s shocking. Especially when paired with the reports that the test kits can produce false positives.
It’s entirely possible that dozens, even hundreds, of deaths in Italy (and perhaps the rest of the world) are being mistakenly attributed to Covid19 rather than the heart disease, cancer, emphysema or whichever comorbidity actually caused the death.
Let us do some simple maths. Italy currently reports 2978 pandemic-related deaths. 99.2% of those were already sick, meaning 0.8 were not. 0.8% of 2978 is just under 24. Which means, only 24 people have died whilst having no comorbidity at all. (And we don’t know their age or social circumstances).
The question becomes, why is this happening?
Why are we getting stories about overflowing funeral homes, when the worst-case Covid19 scenario (ie, no false positives or misattributed deaths) would be an increase of ~2% in the expected mortalitiy rate?
Why are we hearing rumours about Italian ICUs being over-burdened to breaking point this year, but heard no such thing when the ICUs in Lombardy were swamped with flu cases in 2017/18?
Why are the media narratives, and the actions of our governments, totally irreconcilable with statistical reality?"
And here, ten experts criticising coronavirus panic:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/28/10- ... rus-panic/
Seriously. ...
NB. And, where there is some genuinely unusual increase in numbers, I think that may be because ( not only are hospitals etc overwhelmed by panic, health workers on leave/self-isolating, etc etc etc but ) frail/ill/vulnerable old people are being frightened to death, ( the nocibo effect is as real as that of placebo ). And the current measures in many countries are enough to frighten almost anyone, especially if been forced to stop seeing friends, or family, etc.
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29 Mar 2020, 12:01 pm
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29 Mar 2020, 12:21 pm
ouinon2 wrote:
ImagineDragons wrote:
I’m just so very scared .. my anxiety levels are through the roof.
It's probably no more dangerous than a bad cold or a bout of flu.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/19/iss ... ready-ill/
Quote= "Off Guardian" report:
Anything up to 99.2% of all of Italy’s recent Covid19-associated deaths could have been caused by pre-existing chronic conditions, according to a report released by the Istituto Superiore di Sanità (Italian Institute of Health, ISS)
The report was translated and sent to us by Swiss Propaganda Research. Their team have been doing some great work collating and translating sources of information on the coronavirus pandemic. Their daily updated thread, here, is a valuable resource to anyone trying to keep up-to-date.
There are some very important facts here, all ignored by the mainstream.
There’s the epidemiological study done by a Japanese research group that found the case-fatality ratio to potentially be as low as 0.04% (markedly lower even than seasonal flu).
There’s German and Chinese biologists reporting the unproven nature of Covid test kits and that they can generate “false positives”.
There’s the Italian study finding that up to 75% of positive test patients are entirely symptomless, coupled with warnings from Spanish doctors that panic and systemic overload pose a much greater threat to public health than the coronavirus.
As we said, it’s all very valuable information, and we highly recommend you read the whole thread, and check their daily updates. An excellent piece of research.
…but we mostly want to focus on their most recent update, the translation of the ISS report on the morbidity of coronavirus patients. The statistics are highly interesting.
According to this report:
The median age is 80.5 years (79.5 for men, 83.7 for women).
10% of the deceased was over 90 years old; 90% of the deceased was over 70 years old.
Only 0.8% of the deceased had no pre-existing chronic illnesses.
Approximately 75% of the deceased had two or more pre-existing conditions, 50% had three more pre-existing conditions, in particular heart disease, diabetes and cancer.
Five of the deceased were between 31 and 39 years old, all of them with serious pre-existing health conditions (e.g. cancer or heart disease).
The National Health Institute hasn’t yet determined what the patients examined ultimately died of and refers to them in general terms as Covid19-positive deaths.
Consider what these statistics mean, especially the third and final point together, followed to their logical conclusion.
99.2% of Italian Covid19-related deaths were already sick with something else, and the ISS hasn’t actually determined they died of Covid19 at all.
That’s shocking. Especially when paired with the reports that the test kits can produce false positives.
It’s entirely possible that dozens, even hundreds, of deaths in Italy (and perhaps the rest of the world) are being mistakenly attributed to Covid19 rather than the heart disease, cancer, emphysema or whichever comorbidity actually caused the death.
Let us do some simple maths. Italy currently reports 2978 pandemic-related deaths. 99.2% of those were already sick, meaning 0.8 were not. 0.8% of 2978 is just under 24. Which means, only 24 people have died whilst having no comorbidity at all. (And we don’t know their age or social circumstances).
The question becomes, why is this happening?
Why are we getting stories about overflowing funeral homes, when the worst-case Covid19 scenario (ie, no false positives or misattributed deaths) would be an increase of ~2% in the expected mortalitiy rate?
Why are we hearing rumours about Italian ICUs being over-burdened to breaking point this year, but heard no such thing when the ICUs in Lombardy were swamped with flu cases in 2017/18?
Why are the media narratives, and the actions of our governments, totally irreconcilable with statistical reality?"
And here, ten experts criticising coronavirus panic:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/28/10- ... rus-panic/
Seriously. ...
NB. And, where there is some genuinely unusual increase in numbers, I think that may be because ( not only are hospitals etc overwhelmed by panic, health workers on leave/self-isolating, etc etc etc but ) frail/ill/vulnerable old people are being frightened to death, ( the nocibo effect is as real as that of placebo ). And the current measures in many countries are enough to frighten almost anyone, especially if been forced to stop seeing friends, or family, etc.
As far as I'm aware, here in the UK. All NHS departments have been reduced to a skeleton staff (apart from cancer). All none urgent procedures have been cancelled. Private hospitals have stopped taking on any patients over the age of 70 (in line with government recommendations). So while it might yet be possible to keep to the lower end of estimated death rates, the repercussions of this epidemic will be felt elsewhere. It's triage on a massive scale.
29 Mar 2020, 12:53 pm
Farzad Mostashari, the founder of primary care start-up Aledade and the former national coordinator for health information technology at the Dept. of Health and Human Services, indicated there "may" be some early signs of promise in recent data.
He is seeing some of the effect of the quarantine in New York City
And in New York State
Still a little too soon to say anything definitive.
Source: Coronavirus could be slowing in New York according to 'early signals in public data,' experts say
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29 Mar 2020, 1:35 pm
jimmy m wrote:
Farzad Mostashari, the founder of primary care start-up Aledade and the former national coordinator for health information technology at the Dept. of Health and Human Services, indicated there "may" be some early signs of promise in recent data.
He is seeing some of the effect of the quarantine in New York City
And in New York State
Still a little too soon to say anything definitive.
Source: Coronavirus could be slowing in New York according to 'early signals in public data,' experts say
New York starting shutting down a week before the official shutdown began so we should be seeing the effects now.
A 3rd NYPD member dies of coronavirus after hundreds of officers test positive
Quote:
New York City police lost its first detective to Covid-19, marking the third NYPD death to the disease that has afflicted the department.
Detective Cedric Dixon, a 23-year veteran, worked in the 32nd Precinct in Harlem, NYPD Commissioner Dermot Shea said.
"May we never forget the sacrifice of those workers who put themselves in harm's way to keep you and your family safe," the police chief said.
The detective was in his 40s and had underlying health conditions, multiple law enforcement officials said. Shea did not provide details on the officer's health history.
Two other members of the department have died from coronavirus, which has infected at least 696 NYPD employees.
Dennis C. Dickson, a custodian who worked at police headquarters, died Thursday, Shea said.
Shea lauded Dickson's commitment to the department, noting the 14-year veteran "worked 17 days straight" during Hurricane Sandy in 2012.
On Friday, NYPD said Giacomina Barr-Brown, a civilian worked in the 49th Precinct Roll Call Office, was the second member of the force to die from coronavirus.
Barr-Brown was a seven-year veteran of the NYPD.
The growing numbers of first responders and health care workers falling sick with coronavirus is doubly worrisome because there are fewer people who can help the public.
On Saturday, 4,342 NYPD employees were out sick, according to a daily coronavirus report from the NYPD. That's about 12% of the department's workforce.
At least 608 uniformed NYPD members and 88 civilian members have tested positive for coronavirus, the report said.
And "given the nature of the virus, it is expected that this number will grow," NYPD said in a statement this week.
The department says it's been distributing gloves, masks, alcohol wipes and sanitizer to officers to help them work safely.
But if any member feels sick, they should stay home, Shea said.
NYPD officers have been out in their patrol cars and on foot since Sunday night, informing people about the state's social distancing policies, a law enforcement official told CNN.
Officers have been looking for groups of people congregating and telling them to disperse.
Detective Cedric Dixon, a 23-year veteran, worked in the 32nd Precinct in Harlem, NYPD Commissioner Dermot Shea said.
"May we never forget the sacrifice of those workers who put themselves in harm's way to keep you and your family safe," the police chief said.
The detective was in his 40s and had underlying health conditions, multiple law enforcement officials said. Shea did not provide details on the officer's health history.
Two other members of the department have died from coronavirus, which has infected at least 696 NYPD employees.
Dennis C. Dickson, a custodian who worked at police headquarters, died Thursday, Shea said.
Shea lauded Dickson's commitment to the department, noting the 14-year veteran "worked 17 days straight" during Hurricane Sandy in 2012.
On Friday, NYPD said Giacomina Barr-Brown, a civilian worked in the 49th Precinct Roll Call Office, was the second member of the force to die from coronavirus.
Barr-Brown was a seven-year veteran of the NYPD.
The growing numbers of first responders and health care workers falling sick with coronavirus is doubly worrisome because there are fewer people who can help the public.
On Saturday, 4,342 NYPD employees were out sick, according to a daily coronavirus report from the NYPD. That's about 12% of the department's workforce.
At least 608 uniformed NYPD members and 88 civilian members have tested positive for coronavirus, the report said.
And "given the nature of the virus, it is expected that this number will grow," NYPD said in a statement this week.
The department says it's been distributing gloves, masks, alcohol wipes and sanitizer to officers to help them work safely.
But if any member feels sick, they should stay home, Shea said.
NYPD officers have been out in their patrol cars and on foot since Sunday night, informing people about the state's social distancing policies, a law enforcement official told CNN.
Officers have been looking for groups of people congregating and telling them to disperse.
29 Mar 2020, 1:52 pm
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29 Mar 2020, 3:04 pm
https://www.phillyvoice.com/living-room ... -covid-19/
Reminder, Elton is playing a living room concert tonight, in support for first responders. 
Other performers will include Billie Eilish, Mariah Carey, Alicia Keys, Tim McGraw, Green Day's Billie Joe Armstrong and the Backstreet Boys.
Be there or be square.
29 Mar 2020, 4:26 pm
jimmy m wrote:
Only open your Amazon boxes, or other online orders, outside and immediately throw the box away. If you have latex gloves, use them. Clean the wrapping off the items you ordered and the item itself with disinfectant wipes. Make sure you’re using chemicals that are known to kill the coronavirus. Tap or click here to see the list.
That is what I will be doing today when my UV air filter comes.
Ironic, huh?
BTW, Thanks for the recommendation, Jimmy.
jimmy m wrote:
Paying for your purchases
It’s not wise to hand over your debit or credit card anymore for your purchases. You don’t know when the person handling it last washed his or her hands. Even worse, the person could be infected or an asymptomatic carrier.
It’s not wise to hand over your debit or credit card anymore for your purchases. You don’t know when the person handling it last washed his or her hands. Even worse, the person could be infected or an asymptomatic carrier.
That is why I use "PayPal".
The virus won't even know my credit card number.
jimmy m wrote:
Still a little too soon to say anything definitive.
Yay!
It's all over!
Told ewez.
Oops!
Sorry, I activated my "You doom and gloom guys are *so* funny" archived post prematurely.
My bad.
29 Mar 2020, 4:38 pm
jimmy m wrote:
I was called away for a few seconds to look at another possible threat. Someone by the name "Anonymous Coward" posted the following on a Conspiracy Website Board, "I'm a NASA scientist, and Trump's Space Force has failed to deflect a 1.265 km-wide asteroid headed for Earth. Impact is projected to be 3:45 AM GMT APRIL 2. Atlanta, Georgia area is our best estimate but could vary by a few hundred miles, and will be more accurate in the final hours before impact. We are extremely concerned about an ocean impact."
This conspiracy website in years past was like the wild, wild west. But apparently they have become a little wiser over the past decade. They immediately asked for the poster's credentials. He failed to provide them.
Now the interesting thing here is that the projected asteroid impact time was "3:45 AM GMT APRIL 2" and if one lived in Atlanta, Georgia this event would have occurred at 11:45 PM April 1.
So this was an April Fools joke. So a word of caution to everyone.
BEWARE OF APRIL FOOLS JOKES!
This conspiracy website in years past was like the wild, wild west. But apparently they have become a little wiser over the past decade. They immediately asked for the poster's credentials. He failed to provide them.
Now the interesting thing here is that the projected asteroid impact time was "3:45 AM GMT APRIL 2" and if one lived in Atlanta, Georgia this event would have occurred at 11:45 PM April 1.
So this was an April Fools joke. So a word of caution to everyone.
BEWARE OF APRIL FOOLS JOKES!
Look on the bright side.
If true, all our problems will be solved in one hit.
29 Mar 2020, 4:41 pm
This is from a Japanese TV show (as reported in Taiwan).
https://www.edh.tw/article/23684
They sprayed a phosphorescent material on the father's hands to simulate virus. Two hours later, look at the faces of the family members: everyone's face was covered with the "virus," except for the grandma. This proves how scary the hand-to-face propagation is.
The grandma escaped "infection" because she was constantly doing chores, in particular, doing dishes.
It only took 2 hours for the virus to cover everyone's face.
US has been in lockdown for a while, now. But the number of COVID-19 cases keeps increasing. WHY? Because people don't pay attention to their hands. Look at the faces of this family, and think whether a face mask would help, when you go out.
29 Mar 2020, 4:47 pm
ouinon2 wrote:
ImagineDragons wrote:
I’m just so very scared .. my anxiety levels are through the roof.
It's probably no more dangerous than a bad cold or a bout of flu.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/19/iss ... ready-ill/
For the vast majority.
It seems to target older people much more effectively/aggressively, though.
So, if you are old.
Hide under the bed and stay there.
The thing with this novel virus is how quickly it spreads, compared to other viruses, presumably.
We don't get the hospitals so overwhelmed by the common flu, that I am aware of.
It may have something to do with its "asymptomatic" nature.
How else can the ease of contamination be explained?
I haven't read anything about this, which surprises me.
29 Mar 2020, 4:47 pm
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