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16 Dec 2019, 1:34 pm

(All about me) I sometimes wonder if I have inadvertently driven posters away from here before, or if I am one of those "passive aggressive" posters a few in this forum bring up. I kind of don't really know my social status on this forum.[/quote]

Sorry I have to confess that made me laugh as I was reminded of Hyacinth Bucket and her constant search for social standing! And who had no idea what people really thought about her!

Luckily we're not really concerned about social status here, as long as we're reasonably well liked but we don't have to be universally popular even on here. I doubt anyone's been inadvertently driven off with any of your posts.


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16 Dec 2019, 1:42 pm

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This is somewhat of a tangent, but the bolded kind of stood out to me. This seems to be a really common experience on here, and it makes me curious how often the posters who've made other posters feel like they're be driven off are even aware that's the impact they're having, let alone intending it. It seems to be fairly universal, in the sense that people from all over the political spectrum have complained about it in the years I've been here. Between a general tendency to phrase things fairly bluntly and a tendency to take criticisms personally, I'm not sure this is an unexpected trend on a forum focused on ASD.

Perhaps those posters who are to fragile to deal with discussing social and political issues and the comments that result should refrain, or would it that be an unfair expectation? It's certainly a lot less negativity (how often does one get disagreement from more than a half-dozen people on here?) to deal with, and entirely from similarly irrelevant nobodies.

Or would it be more reasonable to expect that everyone make more of an effort to try to avoid causing butthurt when they disagree?

I don't have an answer, but I know you're not alone in that experience.

For what it's worth, there's posters I both disagree with and dislike, but most of the posters I disagree with I'm fairly neutral or somewhat positive towards as people.


(All about me) I sometimes wonder if I have inadvertently driven posters away from here before, or if I am one of those "passive aggressive" posters a few in this forum bring up. I kind of don't really know my social status on this forum.


There are some who are too fragile to be involved in internet discussions. I think it's often more them realizing that and leaving, rather than you or anyone driving them away.



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Sorry I have to confess that made me laugh as I was reminded of Hyacinth Bucket and her constant search for social standing! And who had no idea what people really thought about her!

Luckily we're not really concerned about social status here, as long as we're reasonably well liked but we don't have to be universally popular even on here. I doubt anyone's been inadvertently driven off with any of your posts.



Ah, I used to watch that as a kid because my mum and nan liked it. I admit social status on forums generally don't bother me at all. :D It does bother me if for some reason, some people have found me too blunt and decided to leave because of me.


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16 Dec 2019, 2:10 pm

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It's only relevant to me because the same types who are saying everyone must be all nicey nice to Greta because she is an autistic teenager, were not that way towards me. I wasn't all that butthurt by it. I took satisfaction in giving as good as I got. Even though it earned me some official warnings.


I'd be curious how many of the people who accept things can be rough and tumble are complaining that people are too harsh towards her, and how many are the people who maybe aren't so comfortable with that.


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23 Dec 2019, 4:39 pm

This is the unscripted Greta, before she was told what to say.


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23 Dec 2019, 5:28 pm

i will likely die before too many more years elapse, and yet i still care about what we're doing to our world, unlike the bloodyminded capitalists who just wanna wring every last ounce of profit off of it and to hell with the future. whether she is being used as a mouthpiece or not, i just don't give a good goddamn, she is saying, even if the words are authored elsewhere, important stuff that needs to be heard.



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23 Dec 2019, 5:39 pm

I will also not likely live to see the disasters forthcoming. It doesn't matter where the message is coming from, just that the message be heard. That it seems to come from the mouth of babe...well...

I viewed the bit of tape jimmym posted. I listened to the question. My native language is English. And I wasn't even sure what he was asking. The question was what I believe my elementary school teachers called a "run-on sentence." That she needed to have it repeated and requested same shows a level of smarts I did not have at her age.

Is she unscripted? Or was she just newer and less experienced?

I still have a difficult time believing that some aspies can be so baldly critical of someone who has the same problems we all do. I guess that's my aspie naivete.


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23 Dec 2019, 5:48 pm

AFAIC the bullies piling on to that child, SHE IS A CHILD FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, are just acting like PIGS. :pig: free speech applies to children as well, they are entitled to their thoughts [even if clarified with adult help] and deserve to be heard, as we all are.



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23 Dec 2019, 7:58 pm

blazingstar wrote:
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You know something? for a website that is supposed to be supportive of people with Aspergers, there sure are a lot of people on Wrong Planet who like to talk trash about Greta and defend Trump's trashing her. What exactly has she done that is deserving of scorn other than standing up for what she believes is right?


This has occurred to me also. Forget climate change. Forget who may or may not be supporting her. What she has accomplished, as a person with autism - like the rest of us here - is amazing. I think it was Aspartofme said, for a person with autism to be selected as Time's Person of the Year is outstanding.


No reason to judge people who believe she hasn't accomplished anything. Other than gain fame (which was granted to her by others) what has she actually accomplished other than be a marketing tool?

Please don't take this as disrespect toward her. If we were in school together she and I would probably be good friends. I led a walkout too when I was in 8th grade. I got suspended, but it helped save our school's music program. Technically I accomplished more than her unless you consider fame an accomplishment.

The same people who are all "afghanistan and iraq have weapons of mass destruction, we must blow them up before they end the world" are the same people telling us we need a world government to prevent the human race from coming to a complete end...

And don't even get me started on "save the planet." Not a single person actually cares about the planet. All they care about is their own species.



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23 Dec 2019, 8:01 pm

EzraS wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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My point is that a lot of the same people bemoaning the criticism of Greta Thunberg, would be leveling harsh criticism at her if she had taken up a position they don't like and or agree with.


So basically, your point is that people criticize those they disagree with and those people are only not criticizing her because they agree with her and her position?

Golly gee, colour me shocked and chagrined.

I'm sure we'd pat each other on the back more often if we agreed about more issues too.


It's the typical sanctimonious hypocrisy that I am pointing out smart aleck. "How dare they?! Attacking an autistic child! <wipe away tear>.

Like I said in another thread; Those same types slammed an autistic boy plenty of times. I really felt like they were trying to bully me off WP. So maybe you can see why I'm cynical regarding their show of pious outrage.


Firstly, if you had of stood up for some substantial cause and Obama repeatedly criticized you on some sort of social media, he would have received a similar level of outrage as Trump's behaviour towards Ms. Thunberg did. By the standards Trump operates at, his negative comments towards her have been relatively measured, let's face it, if he called her 'that ret*d Norwegian girl who isn't even a 9' no one would have been shocked. But, he speaks from a position that once demanded great respect, and that power imbalance is part of what leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. The president of Brazil was ruder than Trump was, but he's a less significant figure. Trump's minions are often far worse towards her, but it's immaterial to just block them and get on with life.

Personally, I've called some of what's been directed towards her cruel and needlessly insulting, but no need for tears, that's the nature of the internet. I largely agree that if it's too much to ask of her that she should be encouraged to go back to being as normal as possible and let someone a few years older handle it for at least a few years. Why should someone that age be expected to devote that much energy and time to that sort of cause when they still have a bunch of other important personal priorities to deal with, many of which are somewhat time-sensitive.

This is somewhat of a tangent, but the bolded kind of stood out to me. This seems to be a really common experience on here, and it makes me curious how often the posters who've made other posters feel like they're be driven off are even aware that's the impact they're having, let alone intending it. It seems to be fairly universal, in the sense that people from all over the political spectrum have complained about it in the years I've been here. Between a general tendency to phrase things fairly bluntly and a tendency to take criticisms personally, I'm not sure this is an unexpected trend on a forum focused on ASD.

Perhaps those posters who are to fragile to deal with discussing social and political issues and the comments that result should refrain, or would it that be an unfair expectation? It's certainly a lot less negativity (how often does one get disagreement from more than a half-dozen people on here?) to deal with, and entirely from similarly irrelevant nobodies.

Or would it be more reasonable to expect that everyone make more of an effort to try to avoid causing butthurt when they disagree?

I don't have an answer, but I know you're not alone in that experience.

For what it's worth, there's posters I both disagree with and dislike, but most of the posters I disagree with I'm fairly neutral or somewhat positive towards as people.


It's only relevant to me because the same types who are saying everyone must be all nicey nice to Greta because she is an autistic teenager, were not that way towards me. I wasn't all that butthurt by it. I took satisfaction in giving as good as I got. Even though it earned me some official warnings.


These people aren't worth the time or energy. Anyone who feels we should stand behind every single person just because they are on the spectrum needs more therapy.



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23 Dec 2019, 8:01 pm

you speak for yourself ONLY.



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23 Dec 2019, 8:03 pm

Roboto wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
You know something? for a website that is supposed to be supportive of people with Aspergers, there sure are a lot of people on Wrong Planet who like to talk trash about Greta and defend Trump's trashing her. What exactly has she done that is deserving of scorn other than standing up for what she believes is right?


This has occurred to me also. Forget climate change. Forget who may or may not be supporting her. What she has accomplished, as a person with autism - like the rest of us here - is amazing. I think it was Aspartofme said, for a person with autism to be selected as Time's Person of the Year is outstanding.


No reason to judge people who believe she hasn't accomplished anything. Other than gain fame (which was granted to her by others) what has she actually accomplished other than be a marketing tool?

Please don't take this as disrespect toward her. If we were in school together she and I would probably be good friends. I led a walkout too when I was in 8th grade. I got suspended, but it helped save our school's music program. Technically I accomplished more than her unless you consider fame an accomplishment.

The same people who are all "afghanistan and iraq have weapons of mass destruction, we must blow them up before they end the world" are the same people telling us we need a world government to prevent the human race from coming to a complete end...

And don't even get me started on "save the planet." Not a single person actually cares about the planet. All they care about is their own species.


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23 Dec 2019, 8:05 pm

FYI - I've already solved the problem.

All that needs to be done is that governments end their subsidies to waste management companies. No more dumping on public land or the ocean.

This solves everything. There will be a few years of economic downturn as industries learn to package things with less waste and households get used to how expensive it is to dump 30 gallons of trash on someone else's land... But it's fair and it will get the job done...

But nobody wants real solutions. They want politicians to form a world government. What could go wrong?



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23 Dec 2019, 8:05 pm

Roboto wrote:
And don't even get me started on "save the planet." Not a single person actually cares about the planet. All they care about is their own species.


Altruism has limitations :lol:

We are biologically programmed so that our motivation drivers are for our benefit and the benefit of our social group. As it so happens education has made people aware that our actions are reducing the sustainability of our planet so people (particularly younger people) internalise this information before they have to start a family and realise that being alive and having children contributes to the earth's demise. So its about prepping for doomsday by advocating to take steps to constructively reduce that impact.

If a 16 yr old can understand this then its not really rocket science :lol:



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23 Dec 2019, 8:06 pm

auntblabby wrote:
you speak for yourself ONLY.


I know others agree with me, but yes, in life we always only speak for ourselves. Must people have their own voice and are free to use it.



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23 Dec 2019, 8:08 pm

Roboto wrote:
FYI - I've already solved the problem.

All that needs to be done is that governments end their subsidies to waste management companies. No more dumping on public land or the ocean.

This solves everything. There will be a few years of economic downturn as industries learn to package things with less waste and households get used to how expensive it is to dump 30 gallons of trash on someone else's land... But it's fair and it will get the job done...

But nobody wants real solutions. They want politicians to form a world government. What could go wrong?


For the planet it's "death by a thousand cuts"
microplastics
plastics
sediment
acidification
particulate waste
organic waste
inorganic chemical waste
carbon emissions
ozone depletion
deforestation
species reduction
food shortage
water contamination
water shortage
overpopulation

the list goes on and on and on....



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23 Dec 2019, 8:09 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Roboto wrote:
And don't even get me started on "save the planet." Not a single person actually cares about the planet. All they care about is their own species.


Altruism has limitations :lol:

We are biologically programmed so that our motivation drivers are for our benefit and the benefit of our social group. As it so happens education has made people aware that our actions are reducing the sustainability of our planet so people (particularly younger people) internalise this information before they have to start a family and realise that being alive and having children contributes to the earth's demise. So its about prepping for doomsday by advocating to take steps to constructively reduce that impact.

If a 16 yr old can understand this then its not really rocket science :lol:


Actually, a 16 year old does not understand the science or the politics behind climate change. Einstein probably wouldn't have had it figured out at 16 either. The over simplified arguments and cheap shots from supporters who want a global government to swoop in and save them are exhausting...