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02 Jan 2021, 3:42 am
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I don't think anyone really enjoys wearing their masks, but it sure beats getting sick, and possibly even dying.
Do you personally really fear the virus that much? This is a serious question.
I'd much rather not get the virus. wearing a mask is the simplest way to avoid that. And while most people who contract the virus don't die, still plenty still have. What's wrong with avoiding that possibility? Then there's the possibilities of permanent damage caused by the virus, such as to the lungs, the heart, and surprisingly enough psychosis in a few persons.
_________________ -Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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02 Jan 2021, 5:12 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'd much rather not get the virus. wearing a mask is the simplest way to avoid that.
A mask will not stop you catching the virus. They are being used to stop people who have Corona virus from projecting it further than their immediate vicinity.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Then there's the possibilities of permanent damage caused by the virus, such as to the lungs, the heart, and surprisingly enough psychosis in a few persons.
Historically, mental instability associated with surviving an influenza infection was well-known and accepted. For an excellent yet brief historical review, a 2013 Lancet article summarizes well the evolution of the concept of “psychosis of influenza,” from a commonly recognized psychiatric phenomenon to an oddity fueling a media craze.[1]
Gestational influenza raises the risk of bipolar disorder in young adulthood, and previous studies had indicated an increased risk of psychotic disorders, specifically schizophrenia.[10] In a strict meta-analysis of four ecological studies and three birth cohort studies, Cai et al. reported a similar finding, spanning across the various methodologies sampled.[11]
A spectrum of four syndromes of influenza-associated neuropsychiatric disorders has been advanced (Mizuguchi 2013):
1) Mild Encephalopathy with Reversible Splenial Lesions (seen on MRI, not rising to the level of Acute Encephalopathy, which would require impaired GCS for 24+ hours).
2) Febrile Delirium
3) Delirium with rushing/jumping behavior (particularly noteworthy and consequential in Japan)
4) Reproducible neuropsychiatric adverse effects of oseltamivir (believed to be rare, affecting children predominantly, and discussed later) Additionally, acute neurologic manifestations such as seizures, Reye’s Syndrome, Acute Necrotizing Encephalopathy, and aseptic meningitis have been described in the setting of influenza infection.
Effects of a flu infection on patients with pre-existing mental health issues were also found[4], and sero-positivity for influenza viruses was associated with a history of suicide attempts and mood disorders.[5]
In summary, the influenza virus is linked to neuropsychiatric complications at various stages, from fetus to adulthood. In those winter weeks when a significant fraction of ED cases present with ILI, there’s no good way of predicting who’s particularly susceptible to these less-common manifestations. But asking about prior psychiatric comorbidities or screening for delirium may be a place to start.
Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Gender: Male Posts: 48,548 Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
02 Jan 2021, 5:48 am
Soliloquist wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'd much rather not get the virus. wearing a mask is the simplest way to avoid that.
A mask will not stop you catching the virus. They are being used to stop people who have Corona virus from projecting it further than their immediate vicinity.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Then there's the possibilities of permanent damage caused by the virus, such as to the lungs, the heart, and surprisingly enough psychosis in a few persons.
Historically, mental instability associated with surviving an influenza infection was well-known and accepted. For an excellent yet brief historical review, a 2013 Lancet article summarizes well the evolution of the concept of “psychosis of influenza,” from a commonly recognized psychiatric phenomenon to an oddity fueling a media craze.[1]
Gestational influenza raises the risk of bipolar disorder in young adulthood, and previous studies had indicated an increased risk of psychotic disorders, specifically schizophrenia.[10] In a strict meta-analysis of four ecological studies and three birth cohort studies, Cai et al. reported a similar finding, spanning across the various methodologies sampled.[11]
A spectrum of four syndromes of influenza-associated neuropsychiatric disorders has been advanced (Mizuguchi 2013):
1) Mild Encephalopathy with Reversible Splenial Lesions (seen on MRI, not rising to the level of Acute Encephalopathy, which would require impaired GCS for 24+ hours).
2) Febrile Delirium
3) Delirium with rushing/jumping behavior (particularly noteworthy and consequential in Japan)
4) Reproducible neuropsychiatric adverse effects of oseltamivir (believed to be rare, affecting children predominantly, and discussed later) Additionally, acute neurologic manifestations such as seizures, Reye’s Syndrome, Acute Necrotizing Encephalopathy, and aseptic meningitis have been described in the setting of influenza infection.
Effects of a flu infection on patients with pre-existing mental health issues were also found[4], and sero-positivity for influenza viruses was associated with a history of suicide attempts and mood disorders.[5]
In summary, the influenza virus is linked to neuropsychiatric complications at various stages, from fetus to adulthood. In those winter weeks when a significant fraction of ED cases present with ILI, there’s no good way of predicting who’s particularly susceptible to these less-common manifestations. But asking about prior psychiatric comorbidities or screening for delirium may be a place to start.
Well, I'd rather not get the flu, either. The few cases of psychosis appearing in Covid patients happened to people with no history of mental illness. That's one thing it does that the flu doesn't.
_________________ -Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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02 Jan 2021, 8:23 am
Soliloquist wrote:
A mask will not stop you catching the virus. They are being used to stop people who have Corona virus from projecting it further than their immediate vicinity.
A seatbelt doesn't stop you from receiving injuries in a crash but it's a lot better than flying through the windscreen. I think that any activity which reduces or eliminates the spread of a virus is worthwhile; a simple strip of filtering material on the face does that and eventually, a vaccine for it will be incorporated into standard flu vaccinations.
_________________ Giraffe: a ruminant with a view.
I don't think anyone really enjoys wearing their masks, but it sure beats getting sick, and possibly even dying.
Do you personally really fear the virus that much? This is a serious question.
I do.
Not for me but for mum.
She gets it with her compromised immunity, I fear the worst.
Heck, even for me, I think I'd survive it but until hospitals become more autism friendly re lights and stuff, I'd rather avoid them as much as possible.
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02 Jan 2021, 3:42 pm
Tempus Fugit wrote:
I'll put it this way, I'm determined not to catch it.
As a "front line" "key worker" I'm on my second Covid-19 infection.
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You have tested positive for COVID-19 so you must stay at home and self-isolate until 8th of January (including this date)
If you still have fever after 8th of January, you are advised to continue to stay at home and self-isolate until you feel better. This is because you may still be infectious with COVID-19.
Members of your household must stay at home and isolate for 10 days from when your symptoms started (or from when your test was taken if you have not had symptoms).
For more information visit the stay at home guidance on self-isolation:
That was a genuine, serious question. When someone has been formally diagnosed and quarantined, are there home visits? How is this enforced? Considering the appalling spread, if home visits are not being done, maybe it is time to start!!
_________________ Sylkat Student Body President, Miskatonic University
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04 Jan 2021, 1:32 pm
Sylkat wrote:
That was a genuine, serious question. When someone has been formally diagnosed and quarantined, are there home visits? How is this enforced? Considering the appalling spread, if home visits are not being done, maybe it is time to start!!
In the UK we are threatened with a fine if we fail to self-isolate.
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It is a legal duty to stay at home and self-isolate if you have been notified by NHS Test and Trace. You could be fined if you do not do this. Parents or guardians are responsible for ensuring their children (under the age of 18) follow these rules.
NHS Test and Trace will follow up with calls and messages throughout your isolation period to signpost you to support available for you.
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