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31 Mar 2020, 10:41 am

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Where’s one of the flamethrower drones when you need one.
as*holes,spreading disease and buying up the groceries from our ONE store.Tourists GO HOME!! ! !
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/202 ... arn-of-to/

People think they are outdoors and they are safe. BIG MISTAKE.

This virus doesn't really propagate through the air. That's not the main route. It mainly propagates through your fingers. So any kind of contact sport is inherently dangerous. What do I mean by "contact sport"? By that I mean any activity where your fingers have to touch ANYTHING that other people may touch. Look at this picture: I don't think you can play any water sport without your hands. As with most people, they catch the virus and they don't even know how they caught it.

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Starting from yesterday, even neighborhood parks have been shut down here where I live. WHY? Because you see people playing tennis (balls), you see people walking dog into the fenced areas (opening gates with your hands), you see little children in playground structures (hands, faces and what not), and you see people sitting on benches (their hands on the benches). There is no wonder that even with shelter-in-place orders, the virus is still transmitting wildly.


Every body needs to stop driving because those who do, have to grab a gas pump nozzle, which could be crawling with COVID19. Think of it, millions of gas pump nozzles. That's a lot worse than dog fence gates.



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31 Mar 2020, 10:49 am

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Every body needs to stop driving because those who do, have to grab a gas pump nozzle, which could be crawling with COVID19. Think of it, millions of gas pump nozzles. That's a lot worse than dog fence gates.


I had to fill up yesterday. There were paper towel dispensers at all the pumps and signs saying you had to cover your hands before touching anything. Most people were in full-on face masks and gloves to begin with.


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31 Mar 2020, 10:55 am

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Every body needs to stop driving because those who do, have to grab a gas pump nozzle, which could be crawling with COVID19. Think of it, millions of gas pump nozzles. That's a lot worse than dog fence gates.


I had to fill up yesterday. There were paper towel dispensers at all the pumps and signs saying you had to cover your hands before touching anything. Most people were in full-on face masks and gloves to begin with.


I did not see anything like that when I was in the car while it was getting filled up yesterday. That's why it occurred to me.



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31 Mar 2020, 11:06 am

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I have trouble understanding the current strategy. In light of the fact that at some point we will need herd immunity from this virus, why are young healthy people in lockdown? Surely it would benefit the vulnerable few and make it safer to go outside sooner if the low risk group do mix?

Your position is interesting and outside of the mainstream. And probably correct to a degree.
One great example is Sweden who hasn't put as many public controls on the people and have half the infection rate of their neighbors Denmark and Norway who have put government controls on people.

The lock down may actually have negligible affect especially over a longer course of time.



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31 Mar 2020, 11:16 am

Swedes are far from doing nothing about the virus.

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The Swedish government has tried to focus efforts on encouraging the right behaviour and creating social norms rather than mandatory restrictions. Government officials including Swedish prime minister Stefan Löfven, as well as the Public Health Agency of Sweden have encouraged each individual to take responsibility for their own health and the health of others.[18] Löfven has stated that stricter measures will be taken as appropriate, and as guided by the expert agencies.[19]

The government has issued progressively stricter advisories against travel. Unnecessary travel to certain parts of China was recommended against the 17th February,[20] Iran the 2nd March,[21] Italy the 10th of March[22] and all international travel was recommended against the 14th of March.[23] Travel from non-EU/EES member states was stopped the 17th of March[24] and unnecessary travel within Sweden was advised against the 19th of March.[25]

On 11 March, the same day as the first Swedish death to COVID-19, the Swedish government passed a new law, temporarily banning all gatherings larger than 500 people, with threat of fine and prison.[11] The ban will apply until further notice.[12] On 27 March the government announced that gatherings of more that 50 people were banned.[13]

On 11 March 2020, the karensdag, the unpaid first day of sick leave, was temporarily discontinued in an effort to encourage people to stay home if they were experiencing symptoms that are consistent with COVID-19.[26]

The normal costs of employer contributions have also been temporarily discontinued for small business owners. This will save small businesses approximately 5000SEK per employee each month but will result in a loss of tax revenue of 33 billion SEK.[27]

Local governments, such as the municipal government in Gävle, have applied measures to businesses delaying the payment of invoices until September 1, 2020 at the earliest and deferring rent payments.[28]

The Stockholm International Fairs, Stockholmsmässan, are being converted into a field hospital with the help of the Swedish Defence Forces. The field hospital will be able to house 600 seriously and critically sick patients.[29] The Swedish Defence Forces will provide equipment for 30 of the 600 beds and the Stockholm Regional Council will provide the remaining 570.[29]

On 24 March 2020, the government introduced new restrictions to bars and restaurants requiring all service to be table service only. Venues that do not adhere to the new restrictions could be shut down.[30]

On 27 March, the government banned public gatherings of more than 50 people.[31]
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coro ... _in_Sweden


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31 Mar 2020, 11:19 am

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I wouldn’t mind going to the Ozarks some day after all this mess is over.

I hope you would welcome me :)

But people should follow social distancing rules.

After the virus passes.


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31 Mar 2020, 11:22 am

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Please sign and share the petition to keep the tourists from congregating in my small rural county.
http://chng.it/gk8LgVzjcw


That's terrible! Where I am, people aren't even allowed to go to their cottages or second properties in small towns. Not even if they own the property. It's because the small villages don't want anyone extra coming in and putting a strain on their medical services or even the grocery supply. People have to stay-the-f put where they are. I'm sorry this is happening to you. I'm sorry people are so thoughtless. :(

We only have one grocery store and most people here have limited finances.Out of towners with fat wallets can clear out the store shelves.They take our toilet paper and leave us with a viral load.


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31 Mar 2020, 11:22 am

Roboto wrote:
domineekee wrote:
I have trouble understanding the current strategy. In light of the fact that at some point we will need herd immunity from this virus, why are young healthy people in lockdown? Surely it would benefit the vulnerable few and make it safer to go outside sooner if the low risk group do mix?

Your position is interesting and outside of the mainstream. And probably correct to a degree.
One great example is Sweden who hasn't put any public controls on the people and have half the infection rate of their neighbors Denmark and Norway who have put government controls on people.

The lock down may actually have negligible affect especially over a longer course of time.

I don't have a position, I'm unclear and unsure that it benefits anyone to drag things out indefinitely. I'll add a link to an article below.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/28/10-more-experts-criticising-the-coronavirus-panic/?fbclid=IwAR0N_CHCZW_5AEytDRlHLOxvlbxfSP1fecR7xZ8zgWmg9_dTO20e6gL2bfg



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31 Mar 2020, 11:28 am

EzraS wrote:
eikonabridge wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Where’s one of the flamethrower drones when you need one.
as*holes,spreading disease and buying up the groceries from our ONE store.Tourists GO HOME!! ! !
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/202 ... arn-of-to/

People think they are outdoors and they are safe. BIG MISTAKE.

This virus doesn't really propagate through the air. That's not the main route. It mainly propagates through your fingers. So any kind of contact sport is inherently dangerous. What do I mean by "contact sport"? By that I mean any activity where your fingers have to touch ANYTHING that other people may touch. Look at this picture: I don't think you can play any water sport without your hands. As with most people, they catch the virus and they don't even know how they caught it.

Image

Starting from yesterday, even neighborhood parks have been shut down here where I live. WHY? Because you see people playing tennis (balls), you see people walking dog into the fenced areas (opening gates with your hands), you see little children in playground structures (hands, faces and what not), and you see people sitting on benches (their hands on the benches). There is no wonder that even with shelter-in-place orders, the virus is still transmitting wildly.


Every body needs to stop driving because those who do, have to grab a gas pump nozzle, which could be crawling with COVID19. Think of it, millions of gas pump nozzles. That's a lot worse than dog fence gates.

Those always grossed me out.I always sanitize after pumping.There are only two gas stations in the county seat,think of all those out of town germs being left behind.
Maybe bring back having an attendant pump gas ??
Maybe 5-6 other gas stations in the rest of county.
I have plastic disposable gloves to wear now when gasing up.


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31 Mar 2020, 11:32 am

^ I also wear disposable gloves when I gas up. I've been doing that for at least a year. The reason I started wasn't because of disease transmission, it was because of people splashing fuel on the handle sometimes to where my hands would reek of fuel from simply touching the handle and getting tainted by someone else's careless mess.



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31 Mar 2020, 11:35 am

^^ I use a pair of rubberized work gloves, and then spray them down with Lysol before I get into the car.



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31 Mar 2020, 11:36 am

Well, it seems many people got sick of the lockdown; or don’t even understand the risks. Or don’t wanna lose their jobs/trade.

The lockdown thing is a failure it seems, our only hope now is the herd immunity.

I wonder if this virus can be killed by someone’s antibodies or he/she just carries it with no symptoms :-/



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31 Mar 2020, 11:42 am

Antibodies don't actually kill viruses, they mark viruses for destruction. Or at least that's what I remember from college. It's most likely that a person can manifest no symptoms due to a robust immune system, that is they keep the levels of virus in their body low enough that they display no symptoms.

Of course, there's the danger of your immune system overreacting, which leads to its own set of problems.

Edit: Upon looking into it, it seems that antibodies can neutralize targets on their own, I suppose that's possible by binding and blocking receptor sites, preventing infection.


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31 Mar 2020, 11:45 am

I'm confused because it's a virus, not a bacterium. Why do Lysol and and other "antibacterial" products kill it?

I know nothing about science but I've had pneumonia lots of times and whenever it's the viral form, there is no antibiotic to prescribe. Same with the common cold, because it's a virus.

I'm just curious why antibacterial cleaning products seem to work on our hands and on surfaces?


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31 Mar 2020, 11:48 am

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I'm confused because it's a virus, not a bacterium. Why do Lysol and and other "antibacterial" products kill it?

I know nothing about science but I've had pneumonia lots of times and whenever it's the viral form, there is no antibiotic to kill it. Same with the common cold, because it's a virus. I'm just curious why antibacterial products seem to work.


Apparently it dissolves the outer membrane and causes the virus to disintegrate. Israeli news.


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31 Mar 2020, 11:52 am

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I'm confused because it's a virus, not a bacterium. Why do Lysol and and other "antibacterial" products kill it?

I know nothing about science but I've had pneumonia lots of times and whenever it's the viral form, there is no antibiotic to kill it. Same with the common cold, because it's a virus. I'm just curious why antibacterial products seem to work.


Apparently it dissolves the outer membrane and causes the virus to disintegrate. Israeli news.


I've also read that antibacterial hand products like Purell kill the germs but leave the dead germs on your hands.

Antibacterial hand products also strip a layer of (?) (something?) off your skin making you more at risk.

It's all so confusing.

I use essential oil with isopropyl alcohol and Thieves, in a diffuser. Apparently it removes the dead germs instead of just killing them. I hope that's true. I use a lot of soap and water too.


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