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31 Mar 2020, 11:55 am

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I'm confused because it's a virus, not a bacterium. Why do Lysol and and other "antibacterial" products kill it? I know nothing about science but I've had pneumonia lots of times and whenever it's the viral form, there is no antibiotic to kill it. Same with the common cold, because it's a virus. I'm just curious why antibacterial products seem to work.
Apparently it dissolves the outer membrane and causes the virus to disintegrate. Israeli news.
(Hmm ... That makes me wonder about the efficacy against virii of the statins I've been taking...)

It is fair to point out that while products like Clorox and Lysol are deadly to microbial life, they are also potentially lethal to humans when ingested.



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31 Mar 2020, 11:55 am

15 percent of NYPD officers out sick amid coronavirus crisis: commissioner

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Roughly 15 percent of the NYPD — or 5,600 officers — are out sick amid the coronavirus pandemic, NYPD Commissioner Dermot Shea said Tuesday.

Nearly 1,200 officers have now tested positive for the potentially deadly bug, Shea said during a Q&A session streamed live from police headquarters via Twitter.

The top cop noted that social distancing efforts to combat the spread of coronavirus have helped the NYPD, as more and more members call out sick.

“Some things that are helping us is nobody’s on the street,” Shea said, noting that there are no parades, protests happening amid the epidemic.

“That’s a huge positive,” said Shea, who added, “our radio calls are actually down – the ones that get funneled to the NYPD.”

Those factors, the commissioner said, “are really kind of pulling us along through this crisis.”

Shea revealed that the NYPD has made an “unprecedented” move with thousands of uniformed and civilian members working from home.

“That’s been going on now for weeks,” said Shea. “If I took you on a tour of this building you’d see offices that are empty. The work is still going on, but it’s going on remotely. It’s going on through conference calls to video conferences.”

The commissioner urged members of the force to stay home if they feel sick.

“Our sick numbers are really significantly moving up,” said Shea, adding, “I think that’s a good thing.”

“We don’t want anyone sick in the workplace working sick,” he said. “We need you to get better.”

During the Q&A session, Shea said that a special coronavirus testing site was open for first responders, but a high-ranking police source told The Post that negotiations are ongoing with a city hospital about opening a special test site.

“I can tell you on the side we’re also working with the unions and the medical division and some outside people to try to boost up the testing available for our police officers – we do have a site right now open,” Shea said. “But we’re trying to boost up that capacity, so that we can get the answers for people that are concerned, so your families can get the answers.”

Five NYPD members — one detective and four civilians — have already died as a result of coronavirus.


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31 Mar 2020, 11:56 am

Don’t worry, Lizard....not till next year, at least.

And I’d bring a certificate of being free from the virus :)



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31 Mar 2020, 11:57 am

Viruses are made of a protein coat and DNA inside that protein coat. Destroy the protein coat and the virus 'dies' so to speak. The chemicals in Lysol and other cleaning products can destroy this protein coat.

Antibiotics don't work on viruses, because they are not alive.

They're just DNA surrounded by a protein coat.

Think of the virus as a pill. It's what inside the pill that infects you.

Antibiotics are complicated, things like penicillin weaken the cell wall of bacteria, well Viruses don't have a cell wall, so they're not affected.

Some antibiotics target protein production capabilities, well viruses don't make proteins, they hijack your cells to make their own protein coats and new DNA.

Simply put Antibiotics kill livings things including you. You just hope that the bacteria dies first. Viruses are not alive, so taking an antibiotic would just be hurting you.


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31 Mar 2020, 11:59 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
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I'm confused because it's a virus, not a bacterium. Why do Lysol and and other "antibacterial" products kill it?

I know nothing about science but I've had pneumonia lots of times and whenever it's the viral form, there is no antibiotic to kill it. Same with the common cold, because it's a virus. I'm just curious why antibacterial products seem to work.


Apparently it dissolves the outer membrane and causes the virus to disintegrate. Israeli news.


I've also read that antibacterial hand products like Purell kill the germs but leave the dead germs on your hands.

Antibacterial hand products also strip a layer of (?) (something?) off your skin making you more at risk.

It's all so confusing.

I use essential oil with isopropyl alcohol and Thieves, in a diffuser. Apparently it removes the dead germs instead of just killing them. I hope that's true. I use a lot of soap and water too.


The problem with killing too many germs is that lowers immunity from what I understand. We need a certain amount of exposure to germs. So it can be a tough call between being sanitary enough and being too sanitary.

Except now of course. Right now everything needs to be blowtorched.



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31 Mar 2020, 12:02 pm

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Viruses are made of a protein coat and DNA inside that protein coat. Destroy the protein coat and the virus 'dies' so to speak. The chemicals in Lysol and other cleaning products can destroy this protein coat.

Antibiotics don't work on viruses, because they are not alive.

They're just DNA surrounded by a protein coat.

Think of the virus as a pill. It's what inside the pill that infects you.

Antibiotics are complicated, things like penicillin weaken the cell wall of bacteria, well Viruses don't have a cell wall, so they're not affected.

Some antibiotics target protein production capabilities, well viruses don't make proteins, they hijack your cells to make their own protein coats and new DNA.

Simply put Antibiotics kill livings things including you. You just hope that the bacteria dies first. Viruses are not alive, so taking an antibiotic would just be hurting you.



They also have lipids (type of fat) in their coat; hence why the normal soap tears it apart when rubbed with water.



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31 Mar 2020, 12:08 pm

Exactly @The_Face_Of_Boo


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31 Mar 2020, 12:10 pm

@EzraS, a short time of being too sanitary won't have long term ill effects, it's being like that for years that lowers your ability to fight off infection.


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31 Mar 2020, 12:18 pm

The death rate of most of the nation, minus the hotspot states, is not rising exponentially.

California seems to have done a great job of containment.



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31 Mar 2020, 12:21 pm

That's good news


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31 Mar 2020, 12:23 pm

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@EzraS, a short time of being too sanitary won't have long term ill effects, it's being like that for years that lowers your ability to fight off infection.


Yeah I know that. I'm referring to things said before the 2020 pandemic.



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31 Mar 2020, 12:25 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Confused_Sloth wrote:
Viruses are made of a protein coat and DNA inside that protein coat. Destroy the protein coat and the virus 'dies' so to speak. The chemicals in Lysol and other cleaning products can destroy this protein coat.

Antibiotics don't work on viruses, because they are not alive.

They're just DNA surrounded by a protein coat.

Think of the virus as a pill. It's what inside the pill that infects you.

Antibiotics are complicated, things like penicillin weaken the cell wall of bacteria, well Viruses don't have a cell wall, so they're not affected.

Some antibiotics target protein production capabilities, well viruses don't make proteins, they hijack your cells to make their own protein coats and new DNA.

Simply put Antibiotics kill livings things including you. You just hope that the bacteria dies first. Viruses are not alive, so taking an antibiotic would just be hurting you.



They also have lipids (type of fat) in their coat; hence why the normal soap tears it apart when rubbed with water.

Yup.
Soap and water do.
Ethanol or isopropanol over 70% denaturates the virus proteins.
Bleach destroys the virus proteins.
Lysol is mainly alcohol and soap. It kills and denaturates largely anything.

https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-the ... oronavirus

At home, we poured my husband's 90% isopropanol he uses for various workshop projects into an atomizer I bought for my homemade cosmetics. It's nice to have hobbies.


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31 Mar 2020, 12:29 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
The death rate of most of the nation, minus the hotspot states, is not rising exponentially.

California seems to have done a great job of containment.


The big cites in California are not as jam packed as NYC. Things are more spread out than they are on Manhattan Island needless to say. I figure that is why Washington keeps moving down the list of having the most cases.



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31 Mar 2020, 12:34 pm

magz wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Confused_Sloth wrote:
Viruses are made of a protein coat and DNA inside that protein coat. Destroy the protein coat and the virus 'dies' so to speak. The chemicals in Lysol and other cleaning products can destroy this protein coat.

Antibiotics don't work on viruses, because they are not alive.

They're just DNA surrounded by a protein coat.

Think of the virus as a pill. It's what inside the pill that infects you.

Antibiotics are complicated, things like penicillin weaken the cell wall of bacteria, well Viruses don't have a cell wall, so they're not affected.

Some antibiotics target protein production capabilities, well viruses don't make proteins, they hijack your cells to make their own protein coats and new DNA.

Simply put Antibiotics kill livings things including you. You just hope that the bacteria dies first. Viruses are not alive, so taking an antibiotic would just be hurting you.



They also have lipids (type of fat) in their coat; hence why the normal soap tears it apart when rubbed with water.

Yup.
Soap and water do.
Ethanol or isopropanol over 70% denaturates the virus proteins.
Bleach destroys the virus proteins.
Lysol is mainly alcohol and soap. It kills and denaturates largely anything.

https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-the ... oronavirus

At home, we poured my husband's 90% isopropanol he uses for various workshop projects into an atomizer I bought for my homemade cosmetics. It's nice to have hobbies.


I had an atomizer filled with isopropyl alcohol and a large bottle of the stuff to keep it filled, before this started.



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31 Mar 2020, 12:44 pm

Worldometer currently says New York went up about 8,000 cases since yesterday. Whereas New Jersey has the same amount as yesterday.



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31 Mar 2020, 12:46 pm

EzraS wrote:
magz wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Confused_Sloth wrote:
Viruses are made of a protein coat and DNA inside that protein coat. Destroy the protein coat and the virus 'dies' so to speak. The chemicals in Lysol and other cleaning products can destroy this protein coat.

Antibiotics don't work on viruses, because they are not alive.

They're just DNA surrounded by a protein coat.

Think of the virus as a pill. It's what inside the pill that infects you.

Antibiotics are complicated, things like penicillin weaken the cell wall of bacteria, well Viruses don't have a cell wall, so they're not affected.

Some antibiotics target protein production capabilities, well viruses don't make proteins, they hijack your cells to make their own protein coats and new DNA.

Simply put Antibiotics kill livings things including you. You just hope that the bacteria dies first. Viruses are not alive, so taking an antibiotic would just be hurting you.



They also have lipids (type of fat) in their coat; hence why the normal soap tears it apart when rubbed with water.

Yup.
Soap and water do.
Ethanol or isopropanol over 70% denaturates the virus proteins.
Bleach destroys the virus proteins.
Lysol is mainly alcohol and soap. It kills and denaturates largely anything.

https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-the ... oronavirus

At home, we poured my husband's 90% isopropanol he uses for various workshop projects into an atomizer I bought for my homemade cosmetics. It's nice to have hobbies.


I had an atomizer filled with isopropyl alcohol and a large bottle of the stuff to keep it filled, before this started.

You're well prepared.


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