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25 Jan 2017, 2:52 pm

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You mean leftist protest,the majority were peaceful.Only a minority of the group caused trouble and were arrested.Show me a picture of peaceful protestors cheering the anarchists on.Do you know what agenda the guys in black had?For all you know they are right wing anarchists.Every been to a party where an undesirable crashes it?There isn't any way to control who shows up for these events.You obviously turn a deaf ear to the comments of the people on the left here that don't condone that activity and lump us all as violent agitaters just waiting to loot,rape and pillage. Thats like saying one autistic shooter means all autistics want to shoot up a school.


We're not talking about one person or a few, but hundreds at the least. And them and all the rest coming completely unglued over things they've made up they're sure is going to happen in the future. And in the meantime taking any little matter that comes along and blowing it completely out of proportion with complete sensationalism while displaying total paranoia. I just find it amusing enough to comment on it.

And again, after them constantly referring to everyone on the other side of things as being Nazis and Ku Klux Klan and a slew of other over the top hyperbole, once again they aren't really in a position to complain about getting a little back of what they dish out by the shovel full.

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At this point, those here who worship the ground he walks upon don't give a f*ck if it turns out that, privately, he's a necrophiliac, bestiality-addicted, pedophile who bangs his daughters once a month or so.


Great example of what I'm talking about!

I never said that all Trump supporters are Nazis or in the Klan.Some are,and they will proudly tell you they are in the Klan and support Trump.Thom Robb is the head of the Klan and he just loves Trump.So yes SOME Trump supporters are Klan members.
Hundreds of people?Still not the majority of the crowd,l didn't say it was one person or a few.Where did you get that from?.Like Obama wasn't smeared,people called him the antichrist,muslim(if he was that wouldn't have been reason to hate him)an illegal,etc...Who exactly started dishing it out by the shovel?Forget the birther movement?Pics of effigy of Obama being hung?He received more death threats than any other president.You can verify that on the secret services website.We all had to listen to it,and now that people complain about Trump they start whining about how wrong it is.Give me a break,the right smeared Obama every chance they got.


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25 Jan 2017, 8:51 pm

Misslizard wrote:
I never said that all Trump supporters are Nazis or in the Klan.


Not everything I perceive about leftists has to do with any particular person in threads I post to. I try to refrain from making things personal. However:

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<--- Still waiting to see people reveling in the streets about the Trump presidency.

To be fair, his voters are older and more rural. They are far less likely to demonstrate their support in that way.

They will celebrate it with an old tradition,by lighting a cross on fire.


There you go.

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Some are,and they will proudly tell you they are in the Klan and support Trump.Thom Robb is the head of the Klan and he just loves Trump.So yes SOME Trump supporters are Klan members.


Louis Farrakhan who is the leader of the religious group Nation of Islam also loves Trump. I wonder why that's never mentioned by leftists.


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Hundreds of people?Still not the majority of the crowd,l didn't say it was one person or a few.Where did you get that from?.


From your last reply:

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Thats like saying one autistic shooter means all autistics want to shoot up a school.


In response to that I said, "We're not talking about one person or a few, but hundreds at the least.". That's at the very least. More like thousands or millions overall I suppose. But I've only seen footage of hundreds at a time.

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Like Obama wasn't smeared,people called him the antichrist,muslim(if he was that wouldn't have been reason to hate him)an illegal,etc...Who exactly started dishing it out by the shovel?Forget the birther movement?Pics of effigy of Obama being hung?He received more death threats than any other president.You can verify that on the secret services website.We all had to listen to it,and now that people complain about Trump they start whining about how wrong it is.Give me a break,the right smeared Obama every chance they got.


That's my point. Leftists are acting as bad and worse than the people they have always acted so superior to. Where is the footage of all the rioting that took place during Obama's first inauguration? Leftists have acted considerably crazier and carried it out far longer and to a much greater extent than occurred in 2009. And the worst part of it is how leftists have always gone on about how tolerant, peaceful and sophisticated they are compared to the righties. That's the problem. Leftists were supposed to be above all that and it turns out they aren't at all.



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25 Jan 2017, 8:58 pm

Not all "Leftists" act like these rioters. The rioters, definitely, are acting "deplorable." Anybody who destroys property and assaults people deserve to be put in jail.

And not all people who dislike Trump are Leftists. There are plenty of Rightists and Centrists who also dislike Trump.

I understand that Trump seems strong and decisive, unlike many politicians these days. I understand that Obamacare didn't work for some, and that it needs reform. I understand that "outsourcing" has cost many jobs, and has caused much hardship.

But I don't like it that he's trying to suppress the Press. It sets a bad precedent. It's what dictators do. Freedom of the Press is a fundamental component of our Constitution.

I am sort of taking a "wait and see" attitude. Trump has some good ideas. But I don't like the way he is going about things, so far.



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25 Jan 2017, 9:03 pm

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Louis Farrakhan who is the leader of the religious group Nation of Islam also loves Trump. I wonder why that's never mentioned by leftists.

The nation of islam is a right wing Afro-centric group who are into self-determination and pro-capitalism (they are among the most wealthiest groups in the US)
With their anti-abortionist, anti-semetic and anti-gay stance they are socially closer to right wing whites than liberal/democrats



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25 Jan 2017, 9:10 pm

It's really about the overall collateral damage they've done to their reputation. They're bringing about the extinction of the Democrats. After all their propaganda of Republicans being intolerant gun toting rednecks, they've go to great lengths to present themselves as being perceived as kooks without a leg to stand on.



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25 Jan 2017, 9:14 pm

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It's really about the overall collateral damage they've done to their reputation. They're bringing about the extinction of the Democrats. After all their propaganda of Republicans being intolerant gun toting rednecks, they've go to great lengths to present themselves as being perceived as kooks without a leg to stand on.

We already know they (GOP) are also made up suite wearing greedy/ruthless/selfish capitalists but now we can now include "socially concerned" middle class white citizens who are worried about "uppity" minorities getting too much from the government



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25 Jan 2017, 9:18 pm

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I never said that all Trump supporters are Nazis or in the Klan.


Not everything I perceive about leftists has to do with any particular person in threads I post to. I try to refrain from making things personal. However:

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<--- Still waiting to see people reveling in the streets about the Trump presidency.

To be fair, his voters are older and more rural. They are far less likely to demonstrate their support in that way.

They will celebrate it with an old tradition,by lighting a cross on fire.


There you go.

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Some are,and they will proudly tell you they are in the Klan and support Trump.Thom Robb is the head of the Klan and he just loves Trump.So yes SOME Trump supporters are Klan members.


Louis Farrakhan who is the leader of the religious group Nation of Islam also loves Trump. I wonder why that's never mentioned by leftists.


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Hundreds of people?Still not the majority of the crowd,l didn't say it was one person or a few.Where did you get that from?.


From your last reply:

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Thats like saying one autistic shooter means all autistics want to shoot up a school.


In response to that I said, "We're not talking about one person or a few, but hundreds at the least.". That's at the very least. More like thousands or millions overall I suppose. But I've only seen footage of hundreds at a time.

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Like Obama wasn't smeared,people called him the antichrist,muslim(if he was that wouldn't have been reason to hate him)an illegal,etc...Who exactly started dishing it out by the shovel?Forget the birther movement?Pics of effigy of Obama being hung?He received more death threats than any other president.You can verify that on the secret services website.We all had to listen to it,and now that people complain about Trump they start whining about how wrong it is.Give me a break,the right smeared Obama every chance they got.


That's my point. Leftists are acting as bad and worse than the people they have always acted so superior to. Where is the footage of all the rioting that took place during Obama's first inauguration? Leftists have acted considerably crazier and carried it out far longer and to a much greater extent than occurred in 2009. And the worst part of it is how leftists have always gone on about how tolerant, peaceful and sophisticated they are compared to the righties. That's the problem. Leftists were supposed to be above all that and it turns out they aren't at all.

Some Trump supporters do burn crosses,do you know anything at all about the Klan?Robb lives in the county above me,at Zinc Arkansas.Tons of Trump signs there,you can call ahead.Im sure they will give you an invite.The remark about celebrating with cross burnings was dark humor,I've noticed you don't seem to be able to grasp this.
Do you not get the comparison of lumping all together,as in one autistic,or hell 200 autistic shooters does not make all autistics shooters.100 rioters in a crowd of say 100,000 is not a majority.Trouble with math?
Obama didn't rock the boat like Trump,so people didn't see a need to protest.Now they do becuse all they and their parents have fought for,women's rights,the enviroment seems to be taken away from us.
Leftists acting worse than the far right? Watch some footage from civil rights marches in the sixties,where the cops and bystanders beat down protestors,bombed churches,hung people.
And still you don't know the difference from a leftist than an anarchist.
So if this had been a protest for autistic rights and some people got out of hand and did vandalize,would you blame everyone?What if it had been a protest for gun rights and a few shot up a sign.Are they all bad people?
Seems to be you have a good dose of the Red Scare.Thought that had died out years ago,back when people lost their jobs becuse someone "thought" they were a commie.


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25 Jan 2017, 9:26 pm

Since people seem to have caught this sad affliction maybe they should learn about it.
https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-b ... nism-1950s


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25 Jan 2017, 9:28 pm

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Louis Farrakhan who is the leader of the religious group Nation of Islam also loves Trump. I wonder why that's never mentioned by leftists.

The nation of islam is a right wing Afro-centric group who are into self-determination and pro-capitalism (they are among the most wealthiest groups in the US)
With their anti-abortionist, anti-semetic and anti-gay stance they are socially closer to right wing whites than liberal/democrats


What part of Islam isn't anti-abortionist, anti-semetic and anti-gay? And yet leftists came up with the term Islamophobe to brand anyone who says anything against Muslims. Leftists can't stand up for them and denounce them at the same time without being hypocritical. If they are going to suggest that because Thom Robb loves Trump, that indicates Trump is favorable to the KKK by association, then they also have to conclude that since Louis Farrakhan loves Trump, that indicates Trump is favorable to Muslims by association. They can't have it both ways.



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25 Jan 2017, 9:48 pm

Now now,I did NOT say Trump supports the Klan.I said they support him.So yes,some Trump supporters are die hard racists.
An interesting article on the Klan March celebrating his victory.Scroll down for pics of the riots in Portland.Note the photo that claims anarchists caused the vandalism.Scroll down to the meeting with Trump and Obama near the bottom is a Trump Tweet from Obamas last election where he says people should show up to protest.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/ ... story.html


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25 Jan 2017, 10:01 pm

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Louis Farrakhan who is the leader of the religious group Nation of Islam also loves Trump. I wonder why that's never mentioned by leftists.

The nation of islam is a right wing Afro-centric group who are into self-determination and pro-capitalism (they are among the most wealthiest groups in the US)
With their anti-abortionist, anti-semetic and anti-gay stance they are socially closer to right wing whites than liberal/democrats


What part of Islam isn't anti-abortionist, anti-semetic and anti-gay? And yet leftists came up with the term Islamophobe to brand anyone who says anything against Muslims. Leftists can't stand up for them and denounce them at the same time without being hypocritical. If they are going to suggest that because Thom Robb loves Trump, that indicates Trump is favorable to the KKK by association, then they also have to conclude that since Louis Farrakhan loves Trump, that indicates Trump is favorable to Muslims by association. They can't have it both ways.


Just one problem...the nation of islam are not muslims
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/6 ... -of-islam/



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25 Jan 2017, 10:15 pm

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Some Trump supporters do burn crosses,do you know anything at all about the Klan?Robb lives in the county above me,at Zinc Arkansas.Tons of Trump signs there,you can call ahead. Im sure they will give you an invite.


Are you suggesting that because I have a problem with how leftists have conducted themselves, that makes me Ku Klux Klan material?

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The remark about celebrating with cross burnings was dark humor,I've noticed you don't seem to be able to grasp this.


Interesting conclusion considering all the people who have commented on my dark sense of humor. Again both Thom Robb and Louis Farrakhan love Trump. If Robb's love of Trump in any way is supposed to indicate that Trump is favorable to the KKK, then Farrakhan's love of Trump must indicate that Trump is favorable to Muslims. This is the flaw of the guilt or innocence by association assertion. And yet, leftists persist with it.


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Do you not get the comparison of lumping all together,as in one autistic,or hell 200 autistic shooters does not make all autistics shooters.100 rioters in a crowd of say 100,000 is not a majority.Trouble with math?


It's not limited to the swarms of rioters. It's the overall way leftists have presented themselves since November 9th. Especially considering how they presented themselves before that time. It's been a massive self destruction that just keeps getting worse.


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Obama didn't rock the boat like Trump,so people didn't see a need to protest.Now they do becuse all they and their parents have fought for,women's rights,the enviroment seems to be taken away from us.
Leftists acting worse than the far right? Watch some footage from civil rights marches in the sixties,where the cops and bystanders beat down protestors,bombed churches,hung people.


And leftists are supposed to be above anything resembling such behavior. Turns out they're not. And why do you keep using the two wrongs make a right philosophy?

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And still you don't know the difference from a leftist than an anarchist.


I saw them rioting, looting and committing arson in unison.

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So if this had been a protest for autistic rights and some people got out of hand and did vandalize,would you blame everyone?What if it had been a protest for gun rights and a few shot up a sign.Are they all bad people?


How many more scenarios are you going to come up with? If a dog bites a mailman does that make all dogs bad animals? What I've picked up on is an overall perception that's been delivered in numerous ways by leftists as a whole.

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Seems to be you have a good dose of the Red Scare.Thought that had died out years ago,back when people lost their jobs becuse someone "thought" they were a commie.


Funny analogy considering all the Cold War style paranoia the leftists have been exhibiting against Russia lately.



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Just one problem...the nation of islam are not muslims
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/6 ... -of-islam/


That looks pretty much like Catholics saying Protestants aren't really Christians, or Protestants saying Mormons aren't really Christians.



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25 Jan 2017, 10:38 pm

No,I suggest you go there to see that there really are racist that support him and they still do burn crosses.
Again,I never said Trump supports racists that some racists support him.How many times before you get this?
Nation of Islam can be pretty racist in some of their beleifs so now you have another racist group showing support.That really doesn't help your cause.
If I'm riding around with a car thief,than I can expect some guilt by association.The old saying birds of a feather flock together comes to mind.You just don't see non racists hanging around racists.
Never said two wrongs make a right,but that the right wingers have done plenty of wrong doing so they are not exactly innocent.
Did the leftists have on shirts that said they were leftist?How do you know their political affiliation?A looter does not make someone a leftist.I suppose all the looters during Katrina were leftist.Thats right,all looters are leftist,as soon as we see a natural disaster we just pile on a bus and go rampage thru the city,beheading raping,kicking dogs.Just all sorts of mayhem.
What I posted about the Cold War hysteria,but that people lost their jobs just under the assumption they were communists.
Funny,I have also seen republicans nervous about Russia.Ask some old WW II vets how they feel about Trump making kissy face with Putin.I never said I was terrified of Russia,more along the lines that I think Putin is incredibly smarter than Trump and he should not be underestimated.
Apparently I will just have to keep coming up with scenarios becuse you just don't seem to get it.
So are all autistics school shooters?Answer truthfully.Now are all leftists violent people who want to set buildings on fire?
Your humor isn't that dark,more like tan.


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No,I suggest you go there to see that there really are racist that support him and they still do burn crosses. Again,I never said Trump supports racists that some racists support him.How many times before you get this?
Nation of Islam can be pretty racist in some of their beleifs so now you have another racist group showing support.That really doesn't help your cause.


It's in relation to leftists constantly branding people as "Islamophobes".

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If I'm riding around with a car thief,than I can expect some guilt by association.The old saying birds of a feather flock together comes to mind.You just don't see non racists hanging around racists.


This also pertains to leftists and anarchists rioting together.

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Never said two wrongs make a right,but that the right wingers have done plenty of wrong doing so they are not exactly innocent.


The point is, leftists aren't supposed to be behaving in a manner they have always denounced. Remember the leftist prediction that if Trump lost how violent his supporters were going to get and how awful that was going to be? To quote one leftists analogy I read, "If Trump loses, his supporters will be mad. If Hillary loses, her supporters will just be sad." The whole ideology of the leftists is that they were supposed to be so much more evolved than the right and would never behave in such a way.

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Did the leftists have on shirts that said they were leftist?How do you know their political affiliation?A looter does not make someone a leftist.I suppose all the looters during Katrina were leftist.Thats right,all looters are leftist,as soon as we see a natural disaster we just pile on a bus and go rampage thru the city,beheading raping,kicking dogs.Just all sorts of mayhem.


"If I'm riding around with a car thief,than I can expect some guilt by association.The old saying birds of a feather flock together comes to mind."

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What I posted about the Cold War hysteria,but that people lost their jobs just under the assumption they were communists.


Likewise many Trump supporters are afraid to say they are Trump supporters for fear of being branded as racist and fascists etc.

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Funny,I have also seen republicans nervous about Russia.Ask some old WW II vets how they feel about Trump making kissy face with Putin.I never said I was terrified of Russia,more along the lines that I think Putin is incredibly smarter than Trump and he should not be underestimated.


It's not all about you. And of course WWII vets are going to have a Cold War era attitude regarding Russia. That's the problem, it's out of date. I've witnessed leftists expressing a great deal of paranoia over Russia and coming up with all kinds of conspiracy theories involving Trump and Putin/Russia. I don't mean from you specifically, or from WP specifically, but rather from a multitude of sources straight out of the horse's mouth.

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Apparently I will just have to keep coming up with scenarios becuse you just don't seem to get it.
So are all autistics school shooters?Answer truthfully.Now are all leftists violent people who want to set buildings on fire?


"If I'm riding around with a car thief,than I can expect some guilt by association.The old saying birds of a feather flock together comes to mind."

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Your humor isn't that dark,more like tan.


People who know me better say otherwise. That's them saying I have a dark sense of humor, not me claiming I have one. It really is best to refrain from making things personal. That's why I usually say "leftists" instead of "you" when discussing my views of leftist behavior with someone. Ad hominem: (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.