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Or would it be more reasonable to expect that everyone make more of an effort to try to avoid causing butthurt when they disagree?
I don't have an answer, but I know you're not alone in that experience.
I've talked about this quite a few times. Here is the two videos about Feynman, Susskind and Gell-Mann.
To Lenny Susskind, Richard Feynman was a great guy to hang around with. To Gell-Mann, Richard Feynman was basically human scum. The funny thing is, Susskind and Gell-Mann were talking about the very same guy. So, is the problem in Susskind, Gell-Mann, or Feynman?
The solution to the puzzle is very simple, when you listen to Eleanor Roosevelt: "No One Can Make You Feel Inferior Without Your Consent." Gell-Mann consented to feel inferior. He chose to feel "butthurt."
Feynman, despite all his frauds as a person, continues to attract a huge following, even after his death. And he has been dead for 31 years. So, there is no way that he is human scum.
Gell-Mann has an inferiority complex problem. The solution to Gell-Mann's problem surely is not to ask Feynman to change. I mean, even if Feynman weren't there, Gell-Mann will manage find offense from someone else. That's the problem with inferiority complex.
Here is the Equation of Intelligence, by Alex Wissner-Gross: http://michaelscharf.blogspot.com/2014/02/a-new-equation-for-intelligence-f-t-s.html):
F = T ∇ Sτ
There is a time horizon τ to the "future entropy" Sτ. What does this mean? This means each person's best decision ("intelligence") is made from the person's own limited life experience. It's only when you expand your experience to larger space and longer time horizon, that you can start to approximate to "universal values."
Unfortunately, as soon as a person has inferiority complex, the person would confine themself to a smaller circle, and will never reach a higher level of intelligence, or approach universal values. They've made up their mind already, and there is nothing left to do. They have chosen to have a small τ.
Making up your mind so soon in this AI / robotic era, is a dangerous thing to do. Other people will keep climbing up, the world doesn't stop moving forward. It's about survival of the fittest.
As a paleontologist friend of mine once told me: the destiny of all species is extinction. When you understand that, then you don't feel so bad. Ha ha. As Buddha says: nothing is permanent.
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All that needs to be done is that governments end their subsidies to waste management companies. No more dumping on public land or the ocean.
This solves everything. There will be a few years of economic downturn as industries learn to package things with less waste and households get used to how expensive it is to dump 30 gallons of trash on someone else's land... But it's fair and it will get the job done...
But nobody wants real solutions. They want politicians to form a world government. What could go wrong?
For the planet it's "death by a thousand cuts"
microplastics
plastics
sediment
acidification
particulate waste
organic waste
inorganic chemical waste
carbon emissions
ozone depletion
deforestation
species reduction
food shortage
water contamination
water shortage
overpopulation
the list goes on and on and on....
And if your quest is always "fix absolutely everything at once, even though I have no clue how," instead of "oh, that's a good idea, makes sense and will benefit what we're trying to do" you will continue pissing in the wind...
Altruism has limitations
We are biologically programmed so that our motivation drivers are for our benefit and the benefit of our social group. As it so happens education has made people aware that our actions are reducing the sustainability of our planet so people (particularly younger people) internalise this information before they have to start a family and realise that being alive and having children contributes to the earth's demise. So its about prepping for doomsday by advocating to take steps to constructively reduce that impact.
If a 16 yr old can understand this then its not really rocket science
Actually, a 16 year old does not understand the science or the politics behind climate change. Einstein probably wouldn't have had it figured out at 16 either. The over simplified arguments and cheap shots from supporters who want a global government to swoop in and save them are exhausting...
The earth's atmosphere is a self-contained biosphere and children learn in school about biospheres and how if you increase CO2 then you increase temperature of that biosphere. Most primary schools expose kids to self-contained biospheres in science lab where kids can watch what happens when CO2 increases they know the biosphere collapses.
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/art ... 218/312205
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And if your quest is always "fix absolutely everything at once, even though I have no clue how," instead of "oh, that's a good idea, makes sense and will benefit what we're trying to do" you will continue pissing in the wind...[/quote]
We have a pretty good idea what we need to do about all those issues and in some of the cases we can all do our tiny bit. Others need mass action but we can't just be complacent. We have to keep the momentum.
I don't think we need a golden voiced demagogue to speak for us. Someone who's a bit awkward but sincere and passionate is good enough for me.
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The earth's atmosphere is a self-contained biosphere and children learn in school about biospheres and how if you increase CO2 then you increase temperature of that biosphere. Most primary schools expose kids to self-contained biospheres in science lab where kids can watch what happens when CO2 increases they know the biosphere collapses.
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/art ... 218/312205
Is this research article "Peer Reviewed"?
If I disagree with the degree of your adulation,
Will I be in trouble?
If so,
Please disregard this post.
I bet it takes her weeks to write each speech. You have to admire her drive to do her best to make a difference.
When I was 16, I was totally dysfunctional.
She is a better "man" than me when I was that age.
Fortunately, I have progressed a "little" since then. <chuckle>
So basically, your point is that people criticize those they disagree with and those people are only not criticizing her because they agree with her and her position?
Golly gee, colour me shocked and chagrined.
I'm sure we'd pat each other on the back more often if we agreed about more issues too.
It's the typical sanctimonious hypocrisy that I am pointing out smart aleck. "How dare they?! Attacking an autistic child! <wipe away tear>.
Like I said in another thread; Those same types slammed an autistic boy plenty of times. I really felt like they were trying to bully me off WP. So maybe you can see why I'm cynical regarding their show of pious outrage.
Firstly, if you had of stood up for some substantial cause and Obama repeatedly criticized you on some sort of social media, he would have received a similar level of outrage as Trump's behaviour towards Ms. Thunberg did. By the standards Trump operates at, his negative comments towards her have been relatively measured, let's face it, if he called her 'that ret*d Norwegian girl who isn't even a 9' no one would have been shocked. But, he speaks from a position that once demanded great respect, and that power imbalance is part of what leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. The president of Brazil was ruder than Trump was, but he's a less significant figure. Trump's minions are often far worse towards her, but it's immaterial to just block them and get on with life.
Personally, I've called some of what's been directed towards her cruel and needlessly insulting, but no need for tears, that's the nature of the internet. I largely agree that if it's too much to ask of her that she should be encouraged to go back to being as normal as possible and let someone a few years older handle it for at least a few years. Why should someone that age be expected to devote that much energy and time to that sort of cause when they still have a bunch of other important personal priorities to deal with, many of which are somewhat time-sensitive.
This is somewhat of a tangent, but the bolded kind of stood out to me. This seems to be a really common experience on here, and it makes me curious how often the posters who've made other posters feel like they're be driven off are even aware that's the impact they're having, let alone intending it. It seems to be fairly universal, in the sense that people from all over the political spectrum have complained about it in the years I've been here. Between a general tendency to phrase things fairly bluntly and a tendency to take criticisms personally, I'm not sure this is an unexpected trend on a forum focused on ASD.
Perhaps those posters who are to fragile to deal with discussing social and political issues and the comments that result should refrain, or would it that be an unfair expectation? It's certainly a lot less negativity (how often does one get disagreement from more than a half-dozen people on here?) to deal with, and entirely from similarly irrelevant nobodies.
Or would it be more reasonable to expect that everyone make more of an effort to try to avoid causing butthurt when they disagree?
I don't have an answer, but I know you're not alone in that experience.
For what it's worth, there's posters I both disagree with and dislike, but most of the posters I disagree with I'm fairly neutral or somewhat positive towards as people.
It's only relevant to me because the same types who are saying everyone must be all nicey nice to Greta because she is an autistic teenager, were not that way towards me. I wasn't all that butthurt by it. I took satisfaction in giving as good as I got. Even though it earned me some official warnings.
These people aren't worth the time or energy. Anyone who feels we should stand behind every single person just because they are on the spectrum needs more therapy.
Especially when they are seen standing against people on the spectrum.
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I don't care that she has ASD, it's more that she's a kid so it's uncomfortable seeing world leaders like Trump or Bolsonaro instigating conflict with her.
Ezra, if Trump (or... umm... Trudeau?) started bullying you online I'd criticize that too, even if you somehow ended up with a platform of the stature comparable to her. Honestly, I can kinda imagine you responding to it in the exact same way she did.
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As a paleontologist friend of mine once told me: the destiny of all species is extinction. When you understand that, then you don't feel so bad. Ha ha. As Buddha says: nothing is permanent.
We're overdue for a mass extinction, or at least a natural one. Though they occur over 1000s of years.
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Ezra, if Trump (or... umm... Trudeau?) started bullying you online I'd criticize that too, even if you somehow ended up with a platform of the stature comparable to her. Honestly, I can kinda imagine you responding to it in the exact same way she did.
The OP of this thread told me I had the maturity level of a 12 year old because of my autism. He and another went on to make all kinds of derogatory and disparaging remarks about me as an autistic teenager when I was around Greta's age.
Others in the past who are likely on the don't say anything agaist Greata bandwagon, bullied me to a more extensive degree.
Therefore as someone who was bullied as an autistic teen by the same types who are expressing outrage over Greta, they come off as total phonies to me.
Just more of the usual fake outrage, virtue signalling and crocodile tears.
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The OP of this thread told me I had the maturity level of a 12 year old because of my autism. He and another went on to make all kinds of derogatory and disparaging remarks about me as an autistic teenager when I was around Greta's age.
Others in the past who are likely on the don't say anything agaist Greata bandwagon, bullied me to a more extensive degree.
Therefore as someone who was bullied as an autistic teen by the same types who are expressing outrage over Greta, they come off as total phonies to me.
Just more of the usual fake outrage, virtue signalling and crocodile tears.[/quote]
That wasn't right of them either and explains why these days you tend to be compensating by being more defensive. (Not quite sure what virtue signalling is). Folk who disagree shouldn't stoop so low as to make aspersions and innuendos. Then we're no better than the so-named "NTs". We who have been through bullying ought to be more understanding of others.
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Others in the past who are likely on the don't say anything agaist Greata bandwagon, bullied me to a more extensive degree.
Therefore as someone who was bullied as an autistic teen by the same types who are expressing outrage over Greta, they come off as total phonies to me.
Just more of the usual fake outrage, virtue signalling and crocodile tears.
The only reason I would be defensive is when people play the person instead of the ball. What am I supposed to do regarding ad hominems, acquiesce?
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Nope, I was referring to those people who make such ad hominems, not to you. There are times when we have to defend ourselves.
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