Emergence of a Deadly Coronavirus
The doctor responded saying, "That's wonderful!".
When I was your age, I was a total mess.
It took me over 50 years to fully appreciate the fact that being independent is a damn good thing.
My life would have been a lot easier had I known not to chase neurotypical nonsense.
But everyone has to find their own path. <shrug>
The doctor responded saying, "That's wonderful!".
When I was your age, I was a total mess.
It took me over 50 years to fully appreciate the fact that being independent is a damn good thing.
My life would have been a lot easier had I known not to chase neurotypical nonsense.
But everyone has to find their own path. <shrug>
I'm borderline severe so it's a bit different for me than most on the spectrum.
Less than 10% who are tested in this region come out positive.
Yep even though we had the first US case I see Washington is doing quite well. And while stay at home is being adhered to fairly well, there is hardly any mask wearing.
Good job, Pacific Coast People

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There was an article this morning that deal into the logic of face mask/respirator recommendations:
Some of the confusion about "masks versus N95 respirators" exists because so little is known about COVID-19. At first, it wasn't clear if the virus spread predominantly through large respiratory droplets (like influenza) or also through a fine mist, called an aerosol, which can linger for hours (like measles). This great unknown made it unclear whether a heavy-duty mask, known as an N95 respirator, which blocks the smallest virus particles, or a regular surgical mask, which only blocks larger droplets, was better suited to protect against the virus.
At first, the CDC advised health care workers to wear N95 respirators because it wasn't clear whether COVID-19 could spread through aerosol. A March 17 study in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) seemed to justify the fear of airborne spread, showing that the new coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 could survive in the air for up to 3 hours as an aerosol.
But Yang doesn't see it that way. The new study showed that the virus was viable as an aerosol in a lab, but not in real life, he said. In the study, the researchers "took extremely concentrated virus, much more concentrated than a person makes, they used an artificial aerosol machine [a nebulizer], which probably generates way more aerosol than a normal person does," Yang said. "So their conclusions were in this system."
The researchers of that study looked at SARS-CoV-1 (the original SARS from the 2003 outbreak) and SARS-CoV-2 and found that both could be aerosols. "But we already know that the original SARS virus was not transmitted that way," in the general public, so that makes their model "not very believable," Yang said.
In other words, except in certain hospital situations such as a bronchoscopy, which essentially creates a fine mist of virus, SARS-CoV-2 is likely spread mostly through droplets, like the flu, Yang said. That's supported by a Feb. 24 case report in the Canadian Medical Association Journal, which found a man sick with COVID-19 on a flight from China to Canada in January did not infect his fellow passengers, even though he had a dry cough during the 15-hour flight. The man was wearing a face mask, but because no one else on the plane got infected, this case "supports droplet transmission, not airborne, as the likely route of spread of the COVID-19," the researchers of the case study found.
However, it's still unclear whether the virus can spread through aerosol. For example, after the Skagit Valley Chorale in Washington met for rehearsal on March 6, 45 of its members were diagnosed or showed symptoms of COVID-19, at least three were hospitalized and two were dead within three weeks, according to the Los Angeles Times. Perhaps the choir singers' forceful breathing as they sang dispersed the viral particles, Jamie Lloyd-Smith, an infectious disease researcher at the University of California, Los Angeles and a co-researcher on the NEJM study, told the Los Angeles Times.
"One could imagine that really trying to project your voice would also project more droplets and aerosols, Lloyd-Smith said.
Due to the N95 respirator shortage, the CDC recently relaxed its guidelines, saying that among health care workers, face masks were "an acceptable alternative when the supply chain of respirators cannot meet the demand," except in situations when respiratory aerosols might be produced, such as intubation or nebulizer treatments.
However, even regular face masks are in short supply, prompting the CDC to recommend the use of bandannas and scarves when necessary. There's not a lot of research on homemade masks, but a small 2013 study found that masks made from cotton T-shirts were effective, though not as good as surgical masks.
"The surgical mask was three times more effective in blocking transmission [of microorganisms] than the homemade mask," the researchers of that study found, who noted that homemade masks "should only be considered as a last resort to prevent droplet transmission from infected individuals."
For people opting to use scarves and homemade masks, Yang recommended washing them after every use, and to stop wearing them when damp from breathing. Wearing eye protection, such as a face shield or goggles, could also physically block the virus, said Yang and Dr. James Cherry, a professor of pediatric infectious diseases at the David Geffen School of Medicine, University of California at Los Angeles.
In a 1987 study Cherry did with colleagues, health care workers who wore face masks or goggles were less likely to get respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) from hospitalized children than doctors who did not take these measures.
Source: Should you wear a face mask to prevent COVID-19? Experts disagree.
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Jobless claims soar to record-breaking 6.648 million
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavi ... 58189.html
The 2nd week in a row in which we've shattered all time records for jobless claims.
The Fed predicts a 32% unemployment rate for COVID-19, which would beat out the highest number in the Great Depression, which was 24%:
https://nypost.com/2020/03/31/federal-r ... ronavirus/
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Interesting point, jimmy m. However, there is one possible issue. If CPAP machines are used in hospitals and the patients are intubated, then that could also create an aerosol that can more easily spread the virus. And some hospitals I hear are having to resort to using them.
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I've read this morning that the virus doesn't need to be aerosolized in droplets from a cough or sneeze like many other viruses, it appears to be traveling from normal breath condensation alone. If that's true then this six foot social distancing thing isn't going to be all that effective.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavi ... 58189.html
The 2nd week in a row in which we've shattered all time records for jobless claims.
The Fed predicts a 32% unemployment rate for COVID-19, which would beat out the highest number in the Great Depression, which was 24%:
https://nypost.com/2020/03/31/federal-r ... ronavirus/
There are several people who post here who don't think this is of any significance and are tired of hearing people "whining about the economy".
Good idea, China! It's not like traditional Chinese nonsense got us into this mess to begin with or anything...
Idiots.Idiots.Idiots.
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Train engineer tries to crash train into USNS Mercy.
The USNS Mercy is a 1000-bed ship will help free up space for patients in local hospitals.
"Around 1 p.m. Tuesday, Moreno allegedly ran the train at full speed off the end of the tracks near the Navy medical boat, smashing through several concrete and chain barriers, before sliding through a parking lot nearly 250 yards from the Mercy, according to the criminal complaint"
He says he wanted to "wake people up".
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/engineer-trie ... ories.html
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EMTs have stopped taking people in cardiac arrest to coronavirus-strained hospitals
The Regional Emergency Medical Services Council of New York, which oversees the city’s ambulance service, issued the guidance on Tuesday in a letter obtained by The Post.
Previously, people whose hearts could not be restarted on the scene would be brought to the hospital.
But the new guidance is a grim calculus that’s meant to save lives, one veteran EMS worker told The Post.
“They’re trying to do what they can with the people who have the most likely chance of being saved,” the worker said.
Under the rule, “if you can’t get revived on scene, that’s it. They’re going to work on you, but if they can’t get a pulse back, they won’t transport you” to the hospital, the worker explained.
The decree — which took effect immediately — comes as city ERs and intensive care units are swollen with critically ill coronavirus patients.
Paramedics will still render aid at the scene under the directive.
Artificial ventilation and/or compressions must not be delayed,” the memo states, adding that chest “compressions must begin as soon as it is determined the patient does not have a pulse.”
But the guidelines change if the patient cannot be revived before arriving at a hospital.
“No adult non-traumatic or blunt traumatic cardiac arrest is to be transported to a hospital with manual or mechanical compression in progress without either return of spontaneous circulation (ROSC) or a direct order from a medical control physician unless there is imminent physical danger to the EMS provider on the scene,” the directive said.
“In the event a resuscitation is terminated, and the body is in public view, the body can be left in the custody of the NYPD.”
EMS workers were told to call an “NYPD DOA Removal” telephone number if the cops are delayed getting to the scene.
The Post revealed Wednesday that the NYPD was considering a volunteer “DOA Team” of detectives to retrieve the bodies of coronavirus victims as the number of fatalities from the deadly pandemic continues to grow.
Officials said Wednesday that the death toll from the virus was at 1,374 with more than 45,000 cases.
The Regional Emergency Medical Services Council did not respond to a request for comment.
I do not recall this or a field hospital being set up in Central Park during any flu outbreak.
Coronavirus-stricken Chris Cuomo says he chipped a tooth while shivering
“I’ve never had anything like it,” Cuomo, the younger brother of New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, said as he broadcast from the basement of his home.
“I never experienced any kind of fever like what I have going on all the time, and the body aches, and the tremors and the concern about not being able to do anything about it.”
The younger Cuomo tested positive for the disease Tuesday.
Talking on air Wednesday to CNN’s chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cuomo, 49, acknowledged his chipped tooth.
“You had these rigors … so bad, that I think you chipped a tooth,” said Gupta, who was recalling the symptoms Cuomo was experiencing as the two talked on the phone Tuesday night.
“Yes,” Cuomo interjected.
Wednesday was the second consecutive day Cuomo worked from home with the bug.
Gupta assured Cuomo that it’s okay to take a day off.
“You’re totally right,” Cuomo said. “You gotta take care of yourself first or you can’t take care of anybody else.”
Despite the serious symptoms, Cuomo said “it’s been a great day” since finding out neither his wife nor kids have tested positive for the coronavirus.
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavi ... 58189.html
The 2nd week in a row in which we've shattered all time records for jobless claims.
The Fed predicts a 32% unemployment rate for COVID-19, which would beat out the highest number in the Great Depression, which was 24%:
https://nypost.com/2020/03/31/federal-r ... ronavirus/
There are several people who post here who don't think this is of any significance and are tired of hearing people "whining about the economy".
It sounds like you've got an agenda.
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So my interpretation of the article is that when anyone is intubated, the CDC is recommending that the doctors and nurses performing the intubation should wear N95 masks to prevent themselves from becoming infected.
Or were you trying to make a different point?
jimmy m.'s perspective is that everyone should have N95 masks and use them whenever they are up an about. The main problem with following jimmy m.'s approach at the moment is there are not enough mask to go around. So we have rationing. I can go along with that. Doctors and nurses should be in the front of the line. But someday in the near future production levels will increase and these mask will be "nickel and dime" items again. And when that time comes, everyone should run out and buy a few because when this peak COVID-19 levels fall and the curve is flattened, the pandemic may not be entirely over with, as humidity levels fall below 40% relative humidity in the fall/winter, the coronavirus may return with a vengeance. N95s are better than ordinary face mask that are better than no mask at all.
Also N95s if they are used intermittently, can be reused rather than thrown away after a single use. But if that is the case I would recommend that they be cleaned using a UV Sanitizer Box with Ozone Sanitizing. This uses UVC radiation and Ozone to kill any viruses or bacteria on the mask. This is an example of one of these boxes by Beutii Professional. It has an 8 minute cycle. Put the mask in, run the cycle, turn the mask over and run it again. Good to go.

The article tries to defend CDC's logic behind wearing/not wearing face mask/respirators. I inserted it in this thread because I believe both sides of any argument should be explored in order to fine tweak the decision process.
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavi ... 58189.html
The 2nd week in a row in which we've shattered all time records for jobless claims.
The Fed predicts a 32% unemployment rate for COVID-19, which would beat out the highest number in the Great Depression, which was 24%:
https://nypost.com/2020/03/31/federal-r ... ronavirus/
There are several people who post here who don't think this is of any significance and are tired of hearing people "whining about the economy".
It sounds like you've got an agenda.
WTF? You act so damn weird towards me. I should have known better than to reply to one of your posts.
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I've read this morning that the virus doesn't need to be aerosolized in droplets from a cough or sneeze like many other viruses, it appears to be traveling from normal breath condensation alone. If that's true then this six foot social distancing thing isn't going to be all that effective.
That is another reason why N95s should be used. There is also the another threat that no one is discussing. Viruses are not living things. In low humidity environments they can dry out and become desiccated and as such can become airborne. Dehydrating does not kill them. They can become airborne and travel great distances, such as the HVAC ductwork in homes or cruise ships. When you breathe these dried microscopically small viruses into your throat, they collide with your moist throat and hydrate and then go on a killing spree inside your body.
N95s will stop all stop all three threats (droplet, aerosolized, and desiccated).
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