Emergence of a Deadly Coronavirus

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02 Apr 2020, 7:06 pm

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The bat origins theory of the virus has yet to be verified. The picture that was the origin of the theory showed a chinese woman that eats for a travelling food show, in addition, she wasn't even in China, at least according to fact checker sites.

That said we can blame China for attempting to silence information about the coronavirus and which resulted in it becoming much more widespread than it should've been.

The zoonotic mode of transmission from animals to humans in Wuhan is fairly well agreed to be the most likely way the virus jumped into humans. Poorly cooked bat meat is also the most likely source of the virus,

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02 Apr 2020, 7:13 pm

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China is responsible for the magnitude of this pandemic. They are negligent. Pure and simple.

Perhaps for the beginning of it. But once governments and their citizens knew what to do about it, who’s fault is it if they don’t do it?

Some countries have had incredibly good responses and kept their infection and death rates low. Others not so much. How is what each country and it’s people do about C-19 China’s fault?

China knew this virus was festering, infecting and killing its people for months before saying a single word to the rest of the world only until it became overwhelming in Wuhan.

China has grossly under-reported the numbers of infections and deaths. I understand that there are pro-China sympathizers in the world who choose to believe otherwise or choose to spread the propaganda, but first delaying alerting the world and then when they did make the world aware, they basically said it was no big deal by telling the WHO that human to human transmission wasn't happening.

It set the world back. Perhaps this wouldn't even be a pandemic (ie globally uncontrolled) if they'd have told the truth right away rather than lying as they continue to do this day about the virus.

I'm a U.S. citizen. In no way am I shaking my fist in the air at the Bad Orange Man and chanting with snarl and spittle that Bad Orange Man has done a terrible job with this and the world's problems because of the virus should be blamed on him.

Case in point. It's utterly shameful and pathetic that the governor of Louisiana, the leader of that state, is abdicating his leadership responsibility and having the gall to blame Trump for not closing down Mardi Gras. Lame.

It is an interesting pattern though: All eyes pointing to Trump expecting him to micromanage the entire country down to the local levels. This isn't a dictatorship, it's a Democratic Republic of states each with their own governors who are charged with making decisions for their own citizenry such as...closing....down...Mardi...Gras.

How is any of this China’s fault?

Am I understanding you correctly that you believe Trump is to blame for the 1,000,000+ cases of the virus on the planet being at that number now? This is a pandemic. It's affected virtually every country in the world and it's probable that many countries wouldn't have it if China had been forthright at the outset. For some reason you seem to be fixated on Trump and the U.S. in relation to this pandemic as if it's a problem emanating from the U.S. and more specifically that it's Bad Orange Man's fault?

No. trump has F all to do with other countries’ governments’ responses.

trump is responsible for the lies that came out of his mouth to his citizens and the harm that has caused. The delayed reaction to mitigating this pandemic in the USA as well as many Americans’ belief, to this day, that C-19 is a politically motivated hoax perpetuated by the democrats to ruin trump’s economy & re-election campaign. He lied, repeatedly, and because of that the infection & death toll in America are far higher than they needed to be. Period.

Ah.

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02 Apr 2020, 7:14 pm

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I prefer to have definite conclusions rather than probabilities and guesswork, if at all possible. The fact-checker article I looked at said that snake was also a likely source of the virus. But so far, we have no definite answers.

Edit:After looking at an actual research paper, it seems that the most likely origin are bats and that the determined place of origin is the Wuhan Seafood Market, However, the Seafood market does not sell bats. So, the researchers thought that it more likely jumped to an intermediate animal like a pangolin, snake, or other animal. Or may have infected some sort of food or snack and then jumped to humans. However, they also note that they can't make a definite conclusion.

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02 Apr 2020, 7:23 pm

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I saw more than one photo, not just of 1 woman. A closeup of the dish and the bat's cooked body and at least 2 more like that. My parents showed me.

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02 Apr 2020, 7:24 pm

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That makes sense. Bats do infect livestock animals.

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02 Apr 2020, 7:29 pm

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goldfish21, it seems that you have a strong desire to discuss POLITICS. If so, go right ahead but not in this thread. Start your own in the PPR forum where it belongs and have at it there. Just not here.

And the other thing that I scratch my head is why is a Canadian so hell bent on discussing U.S. politics.

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02 Apr 2020, 7:34 pm

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About Iceland, where people are not panicking, they say:

"Iceland: (Update 28th March)

Iceland has tested a higher proportion of people than any other country (9,768 individuals), equivalent to 26,762 per million inhabitants the highest in the world (as a comparison, South Korea has tested 6,343 individuals).
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What you forgot to mention is this:

Thursday April 2, Reykjavík, Iceland
Max. Temperature: 30F/-1C
Min. Temperature: 21F/-6C

All high-latitude European countries (Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia) have easier time with COVID-19, simply because during winter there were very few tourists, and people didn't move around that much, either.

With this virus, you have to be patient. Just wait, and see. Many countries thought they were smart. But they were not.

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02 Apr 2020, 7:35 pm

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And the other thing that I scratch my head is why is a Canadian so hell bent on discussing U.S. politics.

Erm, it's Canada's other national sport. It ranks behind hockey but ahead of lacrosse.

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02 Apr 2020, 7:36 pm

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Specifically a seafood market, or just a wet market?

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02 Apr 2020, 7:42 pm

domineekee wrote:

isn't it quite possible that we are facing a pandemic so contagious, that all methods to curtail it eventually fail?

If so, do we have a sufficient supply of morphine, fentanyl and tramadol to provide adequate end of life care for all the patients who are currently expected to require in home palliative care?

The mortality rates on this coronavirus appears to be around the 1 percent range. For every hundred people that contract the coronavirus, 99 recover.

There are two other points to be made here:

1. If a country walks away from treating the infected patients, then the mortality rate will increase substantially.
2. When a person contracts the coronavirus and survives, they build up an immunity to becoming reinfected. So the concept of "herd immunity" comes into play.

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02 Apr 2020, 7:43 pm

Israeli coronavirus fatalities are mostly elderly men, average age 79.8

Most of Israel’s coronavirus fatalities have been elderly men with underlying medical conditions, in line with global averages.

The average age of Israel’s dead was 79.8 years old as of Thursday afternoon. Of the 34 dead, 21, or 64 percent, were men, and 13 were women.

Ninety-four percent of Israel’s fatalities — all but two — are over the age of 60, in line with the average in Europe of 95%.

The vast majority of Israel’s dead had underlying medical conditions, as do most senior citizens. Israeli medical authorities rarely specify which preexisting conditions the fatalities had.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-c ... -age-79-8/

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02 Apr 2020, 7:47 pm

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jimmy m wrote:

And the other thing that I scratch my head is why is a Canadian so hell bent on discussing U.S. politics.

Erm, it's Canada's other national sport. It ranks behind hockey but ahead of lacrosse.

I don't know why most people prefer hockey to lacrosse. Esp ice hockey where you can barely tell who has the puck because they all look the same.

Also getting multiple teeth knocked out just for a trophy. Lacrosse is actually FUN.

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02 Apr 2020, 7:50 pm

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I want to know the pre-existing conditions! I wish all countries would specify pre-existing conditions, it could be important data. This leaves lots of room for writing off any death as Covid-19-related, at least, from what is being said of Italy.

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02 Apr 2020, 7:59 pm

I hope no country ends up making MMA their official sport. It might happen now that doomsday is likely approaching . Although grappling in that way is probably the best way to catch Coronavirus. I wonder if they are all out of work because of that?

And that annoying Joe Rogan shouting for no reason...really lame things...the equivalent would be what tabloids are to journalism...

I think tennis skiing and cricket commentary is the most classy. When compared to MMA, at least, UFC, anything is classy.

Cricket actually has a lot of wit and even if a player hails from a remote desert and was raised by a donkey herder, or has strong feekings about 'respect' 'earning your place' etc they don't make a caricature/ point of it like UFC commentators would.

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02 Apr 2020, 8:07 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

Confused_Sloth wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

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Specifically a seafood market, or just a wet market?

The snake ate a sick bat.Snakes are also not snack foods.Stick with Doritos, not snake-on-a-stick.
https://www.merckvetmanual.com/exotic-a ... f-reptiles

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02 Apr 2020, 8:10 pm

How can anyone eat a snake? How can it even be easy to bite, it's all muscle.

Is it just done for showing off?

Maybe gangsters do it before making deals / threats, for macho points

(eg the creepy bald one in Rush Hour 2.. He actually looked more like Voldemort than what the film showed)...

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