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03 Apr 2020, 6:49 pm
03 Apr 2020, 6:52 pm
03 Apr 2020, 6:56 pm
eikonabridge wrote:
See, when people use their brains, they find solutions. 
Repeat after me: they was never a shortage of masks. There was a shortage of brains.
Repeat after me: they was never a shortage of masks. There was a shortage of brains.The CDC and WHO advice stands that either the incorrect use of facemasks or improvised facemasks is more dangerous than no facemask. This means until it's mandatory government policy people shouldn't wrapping bandanas or scarves around their faces and give themselves the illusion they are protected. Social distancing and hygiene remains the best policy for healthy individuals.
03 Apr 2020, 6:56 pm
03 Apr 2020, 7:04 pm
03 Apr 2020, 7:06 pm
Bravo5150 wrote:
Jimmy, what demensions are the masks your wife is making?
The material portion of the mask is 8" x 3". But it is folded up like an accordion and expands out to conform to the shape of the head. The material cut is 9" x 6" pieces of fabric.
Here is what the initial prototype face masks looked like (front/back) using silver material (red) on the inside.
The next prototype will incorporate fusible interfacing as the middle layer of fabric and also incorporate a nose strip.
03 Apr 2020, 7:08 pm
03 Apr 2020, 7:12 pm
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03 Apr 2020, 7:22 pm
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03 Apr 2020, 7:24 pm
03 Apr 2020, 7:30 pm
jimmy m wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
Jimmy, what demensions are the masks your wife is making?
The material portion of the mask is 8" x 3". But it is folded up like an accordion and expands out to conform to the shape of the head. The material cut is 9" x 6" pieces of fabric.
Here is what the initial prototype face masks looked like (front/back) using silver material (red) on the inside.
The next prototype will incorporate fusible interfacing as the middle layer of fabric and also incorporate a nose strip.
Wonderful, I just measured, looks like a 9x6 works perfectly on my idea for cutting a crown Royal bag in half.
03 Apr 2020, 7:44 pm
kraftiekortie wrote:
They are just like regular surgical masks.
My wife is making cloth home made masks. They are similar to a surgical face mask. See photo on box.
Then there are N95 mask that can filter out viruses and bacteria. Here is a picture of one of those designs.
The inside layer of the face masks that my wife is constructing is made of Kenized anti tarnish silver cloth. That material is Impregnated with materials that absorb tarnishing gasses which are the cause of silver tarnishing. Tarnish-inhibiting cloths that are embedded with tiny silver particles are particularly effective because any tarnishing gases that are present will react with the silver in the cloth before they can reach the object inside. Silver also has the property of being antibacterial and antimicrobial and silver salts are also antiviral. The theory is that the material will kill bacteria and viruses on contact. So it is not trying to filter the viruses but rather kill any that try to pass through the mask.
But it is a different concept in mask construction. The silver cloth will lose its abilities if it is washed and if it is exposed to the sun for a long time. It is in a sense self cleaning for biologicals.
03 Apr 2020, 8:26 pm
03 Apr 2020, 8:34 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
eikonabridge wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Didn't someone say that bacteria causes pneumonia?
Didn't someone say the virus reduces the immune system, thereby allowing pneumonia to develop?
Didn't someone say it is pneumonia which kills people?
Please correct if this isn't true.
Didn't someone say the virus reduces the immune system, thereby allowing pneumonia to develop?
Didn't someone say it is pneumonia which kills people?
Please correct if this isn't true.
All that is true. In fact, one of the most common combinations of treatment drugs for COVID-19 is (a) hydroxychloroquine, plus (b) azithromycin.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32205204
https://www.michiganradio.org/post/henry-ford-uses-hydroxychloroquine-treat-covid-19-symptoms-says-benefits-outweigh-risks
Azythromycin is an antibiotic. It is used as a part in the combination of drugs to treat COVID-19.
... “One of the reasons that the virus can be so deadly is it activates the immune system, there’s an overreaction of the immune system, and the azithromycin might also help to reduce some of that overactivity of the immune system which is another mechanism by which the hydroxychloroquine works."
He says Henry Ford has been using both combinations of hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin and with doxycycline because there appears to be fewer side effects with the combinations of drugs. ...
So, are you are saying that the cov-19 virus can kill through the over stimulating the immune system, (presumably causing lung inflammation?).
And that the death doesn't have to involve bacteria, at all?
So, after some research it does appear that cytokine storm/immune over-reaction is relevant in some deaths:
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/12/21176783/ ... m-syndrome
You are correct that death from COVID-19 doesn't have to involve bacteria.
Assuming you are accurate. (Just being fastidious here, not doubting
)I think we (I) are getting somewhere.
Any idea of how prevalent non-bacteria deaths are?
This a question for anyone.
Is it significant, or an aberration?
I'm only asking for interest's sake.
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03 Apr 2020, 8:42 pm
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
eikonabridge wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Didn't someone say that bacteria causes pneumonia?
Didn't someone say the virus reduces the immune system, thereby allowing pneumonia to develop?
Didn't someone say it is pneumonia which kills people?
Please correct if this isn't true.
Didn't someone say the virus reduces the immune system, thereby allowing pneumonia to develop?
Didn't someone say it is pneumonia which kills people?
Please correct if this isn't true.
All that is true. In fact, one of the most common combinations of treatment drugs for COVID-19 is (a) hydroxychloroquine, plus (b) azithromycin.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32205204
https://www.michiganradio.org/post/henry-ford-uses-hydroxychloroquine-treat-covid-19-symptoms-says-benefits-outweigh-risks
Azythromycin is an antibiotic. It is used as a part in the combination of drugs to treat COVID-19.
... “One of the reasons that the virus can be so deadly is it activates the immune system, there’s an overreaction of the immune system, and the azithromycin might also help to reduce some of that overactivity of the immune system which is another mechanism by which the hydroxychloroquine works."
He says Henry Ford has been using both combinations of hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin and with doxycycline because there appears to be fewer side effects with the combinations of drugs. ...
So, are you are saying that the cov-19 virus can kill through the over stimulating the immune system, (presumably causing lung inflammation?).
And that the death doesn't have to involve bacteria, at all?
So, after some research it does appear that cytokine storm/immune over-reaction is relevant in some deaths:
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/12/21176783/ ... m-syndrome
You are correct that death from COVID-19 doesn't have to involve bacteria.
Assuming you are accurate. (Just being fastidious here, not doubting
)I think we (I) are getting somewhere.
Any idea of how prevalent non-bacteria deaths are?
This a question for anyone.
Is it significant, or an aberration?
I'm only asking for interest's sake.
Without having done much research I would assume the majority would not involve a secondary infection. It's not as though this is a long-term illness that wears one's immune system down over time making it easier for a secondary opportunistic infection to set in. This is only my guess but one would expect if a significant portion of COVID-19 deaths were caused by secondary infections that someone would have said so in at least one article or paper.
I did find this, although it doesn't directly address your question:
Quote:
Nonsurvivors compared with survivors had higher frequencies of respiratory failure (98% vs 36%), sepsis (100%, vs 42%), and secondary infections (50% vs 1%).
The average age of survivors was 52 years compared to 69 for those who died. Liu cited weakening of the immune system and increased inflammation, which damages organs and also promotes viral replication, as explanations for the age effect.
From the time of initial symptoms, median time to discharge from the hospital was 22 days. Average time to death was 18.5 days.
Fever persisted for a median of 12 days among all patients, and cough persisted for a median 19 days; 45% of the survivors were still coughing on discharge. In survivors, shortness of breath improved after 13 days, but persisted until death in the others.
Viral shedding persisted for a median duration of 20 days in survivors, ranging from 8 to 37. The virus (SARS-CoV-2) was detectable in nonsurvivors until death. Antiviral treatment did not curtail viral shedding
The average age of survivors was 52 years compared to 69 for those who died. Liu cited weakening of the immune system and increased inflammation, which damages organs and also promotes viral replication, as explanations for the age effect.
From the time of initial symptoms, median time to discharge from the hospital was 22 days. Average time to death was 18.5 days.
Fever persisted for a median of 12 days among all patients, and cough persisted for a median 19 days; 45% of the survivors were still coughing on discharge. In survivors, shortness of breath improved after 13 days, but persisted until death in the others.
Viral shedding persisted for a median duration of 20 days in survivors, ranging from 8 to 37. The virus (SARS-CoV-2) was detectable in nonsurvivors until death. Antiviral treatment did not curtail viral shedding
03 Apr 2020, 8:57 pm
