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03 Jun 2020, 3:41 am

Small victory for Chauvin if the court upholds his 3rd degree murder charge. He'll be back on the streets in 2-3 years after parole.

I imagine he will be under witness protection as the most hated man in the western world.

The police win again.....

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03 Jun 2020, 3:55 am

That’s a joke. Meanwhile in some states I’d get 16 years for having a 11 rd magazine.
Justice system is f****d up but we only have politicians to blame for that.

Edit also that’s per magazine.
With the magazines I have I’d get put in prison for rest of my life.

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03 Jun 2020, 4:01 am

I don't know why people bother rioting, all the cops will be back in another job

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03 Jun 2020, 4:04 am

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According to BBC, rallies are growing but violence is decreasing:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52902121
I hope it's true. The message is clearer without the violence.

Probably have the National guard and the curfews to thanks for that.
Keeps the bad people away. Also lots were arrested.
Still I wouldn’t call any protest thst throws stuff spits on people or says f**k the police peaceful. I won’t support or attend any such protest, now if there’s one thst just gathers and talks about justice for Floyd I’d be all for it but there isn’t. Least not in my area or state. They likely would attack me if I showed up due to how I look.

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03 Jun 2020, 4:05 am

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I don't know why people bother rioting, all the cops will be back in another job

The rioting will be used to justify further militarization of the police in increase in police budgets. So expect more police to look like the military , use military tactics and more military vehicles.

So sad. If it’d been all peaceful it might made some change.

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03 Jun 2020, 4:08 am

Curfews are defied but maybe with more human force from NG and the press feedback, they were able to do what they should have been doing from the very beginning: keep a watch on vandalism instead of focusing on futile attempts to disperse the crowds.

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03 Jun 2020, 4:09 am

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I don't know why people bother rioting

Lol, tell it to my parents.

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03 Jun 2020, 4:17 am

I’m into the military and so when I’m having hard time telling the police from the national guard it’s bad. When the police wear the same uniform, gear and armed with the same weapons it’s bad.

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03 Jun 2020, 6:33 am

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Magna wrote:

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funeralxempire wrote:

So, back on topic; the independent autopsy report into the killing of George Floyd returned results that are at odds with the county examiner's report, but much more consistent with what the video shows. The independent report describes the cause of death as asphyxia due to neck and back compression in contrast with the county's autopsy which returned no findings to support traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7012541/asph ... d-autopsy/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... d-1008625/
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/86721913 ... y-asphyxia

This has been splashed all over the Australian news this morning.

While Trump is hiding in the whitehouse with his lights switched off drawing plans to attack Antifa he seems to have ignored

1) George Floyd is now officially been murdered by the police
2) Chauvin's 3rd degree should now be upgraded to first degree as there is evidence Chauvin knew Floyd and worked together and this may have been payback
3) the three Asian cops who stood around should be charged as accomplices (one of these idiots tried to tazer a member of the public)
4) The police medical coroner should be charged with fraud and being an accomplice to murder
5) the entire Minneapolis police force should be investigated by the FBI
6) the entire US police force should be bought into line with the rest of the civilised world with regard to human rights
7) police forces in other countries should also be purged of psychopaths (we have aboriginal deaths in custody here in Australia where nobody in the force is charged)

I agree with all 7 of your points.

Right now, the protests/riots are pure emotion without logic. There haven't been any concrete or unified demands and there hasn't been dialogue on how to fix the problems. Nothing will change until there can be rational discussions and rational change that ends up being positive for everyone. You are laying out actual points worth implementing and acting on. That's how positive change can happen.

Your points would hopefully bring a positive outcome in the end.

There also must be rule of law in civilized society. That rule of law should be fair and just and applied to all equally. That's hasn't happened yet in the history of the U.S. That absolutely does need to change.

Read the definitions of 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree murder in Minnesotan law. You'd never get anything above 3rd to stick. 3rd is the correct charge imo.

Careful who you're calling a moron when you're insisting that they can't prove intention with a perp who intentionally put someone in a hold that has the potential to cause death and held it for nearly 9 minutes. If they can't get a conviction for 2nd degree murder the prosecutor needs debarred for incompetence.

A lot of things have the potential to cause death. You have to be able to prove beyond doubt the intent was to cause death.

He clearly intended to cause harm and he understood death was guaranteed.

That said, if the courts fail to deliver justice I'm sure his new friends in general populace will ensure it occurs. I'm sure the cause of death will be ruled 'due to pre-existing health conditions and any potential intoxicants ingested' and will ignore the clear evidence of trauma and the pink tube sock dangling from the backdoor. I prefer my justice poetic.

Now I don't know who called it, but an ambulance was brought in, and I believe he was still alive when it showed up. That alone is going to make it hard to prove intent to kill.

How do you prove he knew death was guaranteed?

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03 Jun 2020, 6:37 am

He can still get 25 years in prison, even if only convicted of 3rd degree murder.

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03 Jun 2020, 7:40 am

This is going to be a trial of the experts,the video shows what happened clearly,the question in actual cause of death.The defense will pullout all the stops with gun for hire experts who will say Floyd's death wasn't caused by the kneeling choke hold.

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03 Jun 2020, 8:48 am

AOC 2024!! !
AOC 2024!! !
AOC 2024!! !

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03 Jun 2020, 8:50 am

Tim_Tex wrote:

AOC 2024!! !
AOC 2024!! !
AOC 2024!! !

AOC?

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03 Jun 2020, 8:54 am

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Tim_Tex wrote:

AOC 2024!! !
AOC 2024!! !
AOC 2024!! !

AOC?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, congresswoman from New York. She is the complete opposite of Trump.

MAGA people hate her simply because she is a woman of color.

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03 Jun 2020, 9:02 am

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MAGA people hate her simply because she is a woman of color.

How myopic do you have to be to think that's the only reason someone might dislike AOC?

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03 Jun 2020, 9:09 am

Tim_Tex wrote:

AOC 2024!! !
AOC 2024!! !
AOC 2024!! !

I don't think so.
She makes too many gaffs.
But hey, when she is a little older, maybe. :wink:

Wolfram87 wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

MAGA people hate her simply because she is a woman of color.

How myopic do you have to be to think that's the only reason someone might dislike AOC?

How can *anyone* dislike her.
She is gorgeous. <swoon>
erm,
Too sexist?
Or just sexist enough? :mrgreen:

BTW,
Did you see the little dance routine on youtube?
Wow!

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