Emergence of a Deadly Coronavirus
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According to Ez, even if someone asymptomatic gets hit by a car they'd be counted as a COVID death.
I hope that's not the case.
Not according to me. According to Dr. Brix.
No, that's your interpretation of Brix.
Unless you're just repeating Brit Hume.
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And that nobody wants to see the economic predicament caused by Covid lockdowns solved with socialism?
I'm saying that nobody who desires such things is in a position to implement them and that no one within our current power structure is actively working to impose global socialism as a solution to either of these. You sound like you've started taking John Birch Society newsletters seriously.
Are saying no politicians and people in power want to see global socialism come about?
And that they would not use the economic predicament caused by Covid lockdowns as a means of establishing global socialism?
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And that nobody wants to see the economic predicament caused by Covid lockdowns solved with socialism?
I'm saying that nobody who desires such things is in a position to implement them and that no one within our current power structure is actively working to impose global socialism as a solution to either of these. You sound like you've started taking John Birch Society newsletters seriously.
Are saying no politicians and people in power want to see global socialism come about?
And that they would not use the economic predicament caused by Covid lockdowns as a means of creating global socialism?
Are you suggesting that the current, largely capitalist globalist system is largely ran by people hostile to capitalism?
And that they would rather focus on destroying the system that empowers them and their ideological preferences then focus on a significant health crisis?
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
They have a name for Nazis that were only Nazis because of economic anxiety or similar issues. They're called Nazis.
According to Ez, even if someone asymptomatic gets hit by a car they'd be counted as a COVID death.
I hope that's not the case.
Not according to me. According to Dr. Brix.
No, that's your interpretation of Brix.
Unless you're just repeating Brit Hume.
Are you able to debunk it?
And that nobody wants to see the economic predicament caused by Covid lockdowns solved with socialism?
I'm saying that nobody who desires such things is in a position to implement them and that no one within our current power structure is actively working to impose global socialism as a solution to either of these. You sound like you've started taking John Birch Society newsletters seriously.
Are saying no politicians and people in power want to see global socialism come about?
And that they would not use the economic predicament caused by Covid lockdowns as a means of creating global socialism?
Are you suggesting that the current, largely capitalist globalist system is largely ran by people hostile to capitalism?
And that they would rather focus on destroying the system that empowers them and their ideological preferences then focus on a significant health crisis?
It looks like you are answering a question with a question to avoid directly answering the question.
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And that nobody wants to see the economic predicament caused by Covid lockdowns solved with socialism?
I'm saying that nobody who desires such things is in a position to implement them and that no one within our current power structure is actively working to impose global socialism as a solution to either of these. You sound like you've started taking John Birch Society newsletters seriously.
Are saying no politicians and people in power want to see global socialism come about?
And that they would not use the economic predicament caused by Covid lockdowns as a means of creating global socialism?
Are you suggesting that the current, largely capitalist globalist system is largely ran by people hostile to capitalism?
And that they would rather focus on destroying the system that empowers them and their ideological preferences then focus on a significant health crisis?
It looks like you are answering a question with a question to avoid directly answering the question.
The premise of your question is absurd and I'm hoping to draw your attention towards that. If you really believe your question is reasonable that's fine, but I don't for the reasons that my reply points out. Maybe the entire capitalism system is actually ran by people who wish to impose global socialism, but it isn't likely. If you're insisting that every crisis that comes up is merely an excuse to impose global socialism you'll need to first make a case that the entire global capitalism system is actually ran by people who oppose it. If you can't make your premise seem plausible your questions aren't serious questions.
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
They have a name for Nazis that were only Nazis because of economic anxiety or similar issues. They're called Nazis.
And that nobody wants to see the economic predicament caused by Covid lockdowns solved with socialism?
I'm saying that nobody who desires such things is in a position to implement them and that no one within our current power structure is actively working to impose global socialism as a solution to either of these. You sound like you've started taking John Birch Society newsletters seriously.
Are saying no politicians and people in power want to see global socialism come about?
And that they would not use the economic predicament caused by Covid lockdowns as a means of creating global socialism?
Are you suggesting that the current, largely capitalist globalist system is largely ran by people hostile to capitalism?
And that they would rather focus on destroying the system that empowers them and their ideological preferences then focus on a significant health crisis?
It looks like you are answering a question with a question to avoid directly answering the question.
The premise of your question is absurd and I'm hoping to draw your attention towards that. If you really believe your question is reasonable that's fine, but I don't for the reasons that my reply points out. Maybe the entire capitalism system is actually ran by people who wish to impose global socialism, but it isn't likely. If you're insisting that every crisis that comes up is merely an excuse to impose global socialism you'll need to first make a case that the entire global capitalism system is actually ran by people who oppose it. If you can't make your premise seem plausible your questions aren't serious questions.
What I am saying is that there are politicians and people in power and people of influence who think the world would be better off with a system of global socialism.
And that they would like to see the economic predicament caused by Covid lockdowns solved with a system global socialism.
Your response seems to be that is completely untrue.
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What I am saying is that there are politicians and people in power and people of influence who think the world would be better off with a system of global socialism.
And that they would like to see the economic predicament caused by Covid lockdowns solved with a system global socialism.
Your response seems to be that is completely untrue.
I agree that there are likely people in positions of influence who are sympathetic to various socialist ideologies, and others to socialist ideas even if not to socialist ideology.
That said, it's not as though those people exist within in a vacuum, where there's a handful of socialists all working together against a bunch of unaligned people with no ideological preferences. Instead it's likely to reflect the general populations they're drawn from, with some being more sympathetic to various socialist or capitalist ideologies (understanding that both capitalism and socialism have schools of thought within themselves that disagree), some being less ideologically grounded and more pragmatic and some recognizing that capitalism and socialism aren't in inherent binary opposition and open to ideas and understandings that might be grounded in either.
Even though I don't believe the opposition is quite as unified and binary as I made it sound when initially criticizing your idea, at the end of the day it's still basically true even if exaggerated that the biggest thing preventing some sort of 'global socialist takeover' is that the 'global capitalist takeover' has already occurred and isn't slowing down. If anything, discussion of climate change and other existential threats is really just evidence that 'the global capitalist takeover' is pragmatic enough to accommodate reality instead of imitating the model that some others advocate of ideologically pure laissez-faire capitalism even when it's unfeasible.
Even if I were to agree unreservedly with what you're saying here (and I don't), it wouldn't mean I would agree with any conclusion resembling 'omg, we need to stop the global socialists from using this to impose communism which is definitely what they are doing'. If anything what I see is a lot of the existing capitalist power structure being pragmatic and willing to consider methods that aren't ideologically pure to address existential threats. It isn't socialists using these things for power grabs, so even if you view them as inherently socialist, blaming the left or conflating the 'global elite' with the left misses the point.
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
They have a name for Nazis that were only Nazis because of economic anxiety or similar issues. They're called Nazis.
Most of the present-day world leadership wouldn’t last a week under a truly “socialist” regimen—should they faithfully adhere to the ideology.
What were, and are, presented as Marxist-Leninist, Maoist, whatever governments were and are pure con jobs perpetuated by the elites of these governments.
Does anybody believe that somebody like Castro actually lived a proletariat life?
Socialism is the way forward...and I am for socialism.
I appreciate that you are being straightforward about it, rather than beating around the bush as so many others do.
I happen to believe that “social democracy,” overall, is the best ideological system.
I don’t believe in the nationalization of the vast majority of industries—though I do believe in at least some regulation of these industries. I don’t believe in laissez-faire capitalism.
I strongly lean towards national health insurance, on the Canadian/British model with the option to purchase more “enhanced” health insurance.
I am strongly anti-“socialist” in the Marxist-Leninist sense.
No, I don’t believe the measures taken pertaining to COVID19 will lead to any sort of an imposition of radically “socialist” measures—at least within a US context.
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22 dead at New Jersey nursing home, with at least 12 confirmed coronavirus victims, officials say
Another 16 residents have also tested positive, the mayor said. Five others are still awaiting test results.
“It’s just heartbreaking for all these families,” said Bollwage.
The Elizabeth Nursing and Rehabilitation Center on Grove Street did not respond to multiple requests by phone or emails to the facility or its owners for comment. A woman at the facility who answered the phone said there was no one available to talk to a reporter and took a message.
Coronavirus has swept through New Jersey’s long-term care facilities, leaving a deadly toll in its wake. State officials said 188 of the state’s 375 long-term care facilities — or just over half — have had at least one patient with coronavirus, but has not made public the list of nursing homes. Approximately 10% of the deaths in New Jersey have been linked to nursing homes, the state has reported.
Bollwage said the city had not even been aware of the deaths at Elizabeth Nursing and Rehab until health officials received a call more than a week ago from Trinitas Regional Medical Center in Elizabeth.
“I spoke with the administrator (at the nursing home) before this started and asked him if he was prepared and he advised he was,” said the mayor. “Here we are, and we didn’t even know anything was going on until the hospital reached out to us.”
He said the city’s health officer subsequently went to the facility and was told the administrator was not on site.
A law that went into effect in February after an adenovirus outbreak at a Wanaque nursing home killed 11 children requires nursing homes to have as part of their outbreak response plans “clear policies” regarding notifying residents, staff and families about an outbreak. An outbreak is defined as at least one confirmed positive and one symptomatic individual.
Documents shared by the city that included a series of emails between Elizabeth health officials, the state Department of Health, and nursing home administrators, showing the increasing concerns, as the number of patients being sent to Trinitas with COVID-19 symptoms continued to rise.
In one email dated March 30, Mark Colicchio, the city’s health officer, sought state action, and questioned why the Department of Health was giving the facility time to determine whether its infection control measures were working.
Noting that at that point eight residents were already dead, and 13 others were still at Trinitas, Colicchio urged in the emails for the state to take action. He said giving the facility “two weeks to experiment on whether or not their infection control rates improve” was jeopardizing the lives of patients, staff and first responders that have to go to this facility.
“It was the hospital that brought this outbreak to my attention because out of concern for the patients and staff along with our first responders. The facility whose duty it is to report any disease outbreak to the local health department failed to do so,” he said in the emails. “Also, there were times this facility couldn’t even give me a proper update on their residents who were in the hospitals.”
Colicchio called it “an extremely urgent dangerous matter.”
Persichilli said the health department’s plan to address the growing number of nursing home outbreaks will take a regional approach. The department did not address the Elizabeth concerns directly.
“It will require for patients to be moved around and for patients and staff to be cohorted,” she said, referring to the isolating of those testing positive. “The plan will be based on an algorithm that will determine the most appropriate location for residents, based on whether residents have tested positive; whether residents have symptoms; or are asymptomatic, but have had exposure. For those who have not been exposed, we want to keep them safe and for those who have tested positive, we want to make sure they are well cared for.”
Persichilli also said at the Tuesday briefing that she sent a “guidance” letter to nursing home operators informing them they had to report COVID-19 patients and fatalities to the department.
“I have to tell you, I think they are all reporting,” Persichilli said. “I didn’t get any indication they were not reporting, particularly their covid-19 individuals. I just don’t have an indication that they are not reporting. By the number of reports that we have, which is about 1,000 at this point, they are reporting.”
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