Page 4 of 9 [ 129 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ... 9  Next


What do you think about the decision to exclude people with Asperger's from the US military?
I think it is a good decision. 14%  14%  [ 21 ]
Overall, I think it's good, but there should be an examination or something similar to that effect. 13%  13%  [ 19 ]
Overall, I think it's a bad decision. People should only be excluded for physical disabilities or severe mental disabilities. 41%  41%  [ 60 ]
This is a terrible decision. This is discrimination! 32%  32%  [ 47 ]
Total votes : 147

auntblabby
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 114,555
Location: the island of defective toy santas

15 Aug 2010, 11:52 pm

Mudboy wrote:
I like the idea of specialists / technicians. I retired from the Air Force as a "super technician". Starting as an E2, I was put in charge of the technical work over E4s and E5s becasue of my mad technical skills. After making E5, I ended up being sent to work for one 4 star after another because they liked that my bluntness combined with my technical skills covered their backs and made them look good.


when i was in, i was bluntly told that because i had all the leadership qualities of a housecat, that i would never make E5 and that i was wasting my time and their time remaining in the army.



Solitaire
Tufted Titmouse
Tufted Titmouse

User avatar

Joined: 11 Jul 2010
Age: 62
Gender: Female
Posts: 48
Location: DFW, Texas

16 Aug 2010, 7:59 pm

I think it is very hard for the military to "break" aspies like they do NTs. My daughter (mildly aspie) was unable to be broken by the boot camp experience or anything they did to her thereafter, and, according to her own recounting, they tried pretty darned hard, and used a lot of humiliation. She did what they asked of her, but they couldn't break her attitude and dismay at some of their tactics. Sometimes our aspie stubbornness comes in handy. She is now getting her degree on Uncle Sam's dime, and she's no different than when she went in years ago. I cannot say that for a lot of the young people who go into the military.

A few friends of mine who were also in the military and have AS weren't able to be "broken" either. They want pliable idiots in the military, just smart enough to do what they are asked to do, but not so smart as to question the entire experience, or even why a massive bloated military is more important than education, whether war is ethical, etc. There also might be some confusion among the brass that makes these decisions that somebody with asperger's wouldn't be a "team player".

It is entirely possible to be an aspie and be in the military. I wouldn't go into a recruiter's office bragging about it, though. One had better be darned certain they want a life with no privacy, in which the military owns your body and can do what they want with it. But, if one really wants to do it, I don't see why an aspie shouldn't just go for it anyway. Don't ask, don't tell!



GreySun369
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Aug 2010
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Posts: 824

16 Aug 2010, 8:48 pm

Well speaking personally, I'm happy with the decision. It means I can't get drafted! :D (I know that's selfish of me)

But for my unbiased opinion, I think it's a logical choice. I mean like it's been pointed out, Aspies would have trouble adjusting to the millitary due to their inability to work in teams very well and the fact that most Aspies don't do too well under stress. Like it or not, Aspergers is a mental disability and has limits, and the millitary needs strong and able-minded individuals.

That's just my opinion though.



auntblabby
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 114,555
Location: the island of defective toy santas

16 Aug 2010, 10:15 pm

GreySun369 wrote:
Well speaking personally, I'm happy with the decision. It means I can't get drafted! :D (I know that's selfish of me).


when the balloon goes up, EVERYONE will be considered draft material.



Mudboy
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 May 2007
Age: 62
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,441
Location: Hiding in plain sight

17 Aug 2010, 8:40 am

Solitaire wrote:
They want pliable idiots in the military
GreySun369 wrote:
the millitary needs strong and able-minded individuals.
:roll: The military needs people. Proof that Aspies can do just fine in the military can be shown by the fact many are serving now, and others have served in the past. The ability to adapt is an individual thing.

I may be biased, but I think the Air Force is the best service for Aspies. The Air Force is more technical than the other services allowing a person to be a little eccentric as long as they are good at their job.


_________________
When I lose an obsession, I feel lost until I find another.
Aspie score: 155 of 200
NT score: 49 of 200


auntblabby
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 114,555
Location: the island of defective toy santas

18 Aug 2010, 12:51 am

Mudboy wrote:
Solitaire wrote:
They want pliable idiots in the military
GreySun369 wrote:
the millitary needs strong and able-minded individuals.
:roll: The military needs people. Proof that Aspies can do just fine in the military can be shown by the fact many are serving now, and others have served in the past. The ability to adapt is an individual thing.

I may be biased, but I think the Air Force is the best service for Aspies. The Air Force is more technical than the other services allowing a person to be a little eccentric as long as they are good at their job.


i wish to dickens the air force would have accepted me.



XFilesGeek
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Jul 2010
Age: 41
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 6,031
Location: The Oort Cloud

18 Aug 2010, 8:10 pm

Mudboy wrote:
Solitaire wrote:
They want pliable idiots in the military
GreySun369 wrote:
the millitary needs strong and able-minded individuals.
:roll: The military needs people. Proof that Aspies can do just fine in the military can be shown by the fact many are serving now, and others have served in the past. The ability to adapt is an individual thing.

I may be biased, but I think the Air Force is the best service for Aspies. The Air Force is more technical than the other services allowing a person to be a little eccentric as long as they are good at their job.


Yeah, but the AF is currently firing people left and right. It's extremely easy to get kicked-out. Last I checked, they were only accepting high school juniors into the DEP because of how many people are trying to join.

If you have even a smudge in your medical records, forget it.

--XFG



nostromo
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Mar 2010
Age: 56
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,320
Location: At Festively Plump

19 Aug 2010, 6:24 am

Macbeth wrote:
Consider the historical precedents. A lot of very successful military leaders were clearly not what could be termed neurologically normal. In fact most of them were downright bonkers eccentric in one way or another. Likewise, an ability to specialise with fanatical precision can be VERY useful in certain military situations. Not to mention (as always) its a SPECTRUM and thus everyone is different and capable to varying degrees of every kind of activity.

Don't know much about US history but I have read a bit about that Stonewall Jackson and he seemed like a really unusual (but successful) military leader.



ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 88
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

19 Aug 2010, 7:43 am

nostromo wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Consider the historical precedents. A lot of very successful military leaders were clearly not what could be termed neurologically normal. In fact most of them were downright bonkers eccentric in one way or another. Likewise, an ability to specialise with fanatical precision can be VERY useful in certain military situations. Not to mention (as always) its a SPECTRUM and thus everyone is different and capable to varying degrees of every kind of activity.

Don't know much about US history but I have read a bit about that Stonewall Jackson and he seemed like a really unusual (but successful) military leader.


T.J. "Stonewall" Jackson was a single minded warrior. When he was asked what he could do about the Yankees attacking Fredricksburg he answered: Kill them. Kill them all. He was Robert E. Lee's attack-bot.

ruveyn



Wombat
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Oct 2006
Age: 76
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,051

20 Aug 2010, 1:57 am

Look at "Lawrence of Arabia".

The man was one of the great heroes of the 20th century yet he was mad as a hatter and a homosexual as well.



auf_ehre
Raven
Raven

User avatar

Joined: 19 Aug 2010
Age: 59
Gender: Male
Posts: 112
Location: Weltraum

20 Aug 2010, 11:32 pm

I spent 4 active duty and 8 years in the reserve. I learned to adapt. I got out because this latest war makes it hard to hold a job and be a reservist at the same time.

I got diagnosed while IN the military. My CO found out he'd have to discharge me for it, but I was REALLY good at my job and that diagnosis accidentally fell in a paper shredder.



jaspie
Pileated woodpecker
Pileated woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 21 May 2010
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Posts: 182

21 Aug 2010, 4:32 am

Pistonhead wrote:
Bad decision but on the bright side no more dead aspie soldiers.

Especially to unwinnable wars like Afghanistan.
I do believe that it should be in the best interests of the individual that wants to join the military.Having this restriction to Aspies is just a waste of time to consider applying.



aspiegirl2
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Age: 35
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,442
Location: Washington, USA

22 Aug 2010, 1:59 am

I tried going out for Army ROTC at my college a couple years ago but the DoDMERB denied me. This was well before this April 2010 notion. After that I was told by the ROTC office that the only way I could get in was to get someone to say that I was misdiagnosed as a child, so then I would be going around lying about myself, and I couldn't live with that. I don't think that the military should deny people based on reported disabilities. They should have a standardized test of some sort that gives a set standard of what kind of people they want to be working for them, and if someone doesn't fit the bill, then they would have a set reason. It's much more of a "don't ask, don't tell" scenario than anything. No one would have known about me being an aspie if I hadn't have told them. I exceeded all of their physical requirements and aced their classes, while some of their so-called more "qualified" people failed to do as such. Many of them held low GPAs and didn't meet these physical requirements, and some were even more socially awkward than I was and couldn't adapt as well to some of the pressure they were putting on us. It's funny the way things work in the military.


_________________
I'm 24 years old and live in WA State. I was diagnosed with Asperger's at 9. I received a BS in Psychology in 2011 and I intend to help people with Autistic Spectrum Disorders, either through research, application, or both. On the ?Pursuit of Aspieness?.


glider18
Supporting Member
Supporting Member

User avatar

Joined: 8 Nov 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,062
Location: USA

29 Aug 2010, 9:32 pm

GreySun369 wrote:
Well speaking personally, I'm happy with the decision. It means I can't get drafted! :D (I know that's selfish of me)

But for my unbiased opinion, I think it's a logical choice. I mean like it's been pointed out, Aspies would have trouble adjusting to the millitary due to their inability to work in teams very well and the fact that most Aspies don't do too well under stress. Like it or not, Aspergers is a mental disability and has limits, and the millitary needs strong and able-minded individuals.

That's just my opinion though.


I was always afraid of the possibility I could be drafted---I could not imagine fitting in with the military.

Now---I don't consider AS a disability for me, but I do agree that working in teams is not good for me---and I am AS. And, I don't like stress. I agree, this seems true to most Aspies---me included.


_________________
"My journey has just begun."


MicroChip
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 55
Location: USA

29 Aug 2010, 11:35 pm

I think it's a good decision to keep Aspies out of the military. It will save lives.
Most Aspies have sensory issues and the military environment is very sensory provoking.



Tory_canuck
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 8 Jun 2009
Age: 38
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,373
Location: Red Deer, Alberta, Canada

30 Aug 2010, 12:09 am

nodice1996 wrote:
Damn. Wish I didn't have a diagnosis.


You can always try the Canadian military


_________________
Honour over deciet, merit over luck, courage over popularity, duty over entitlement...dont let the cliques fool you for they have no honour...only superficial deceit.

ALBERTAN...and DAMN PROUD OF IT!!