Bombings in Oslo, Norway; shootings

Page 4 of 10 [ 158 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ... 10 Next

Previous topic | Next topic

Kiran
Velociraptor

Joined: 17 Jun 2010
Age: 34
Gender: Female
Posts: 443
Location: Somewhere in Scandinavia

23 Jul 2011, 2:02 pm

anna-banana wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

It looks like a rare event in Norway. A home grown terrorist who is not a Muslim. That is every unusual.

ruveyn

and yet, it's not really *that* surprising.

there are many neo-nazi groups in Scandinavia, some of them quite loud (re: the guys who stole the Auschwitz' "Arbeit macht Frei" sign). I'm pretty sure I'd read at lest two Henning Mankell books where he makes scandinavian neo-nazis the culprits, and he's not the only Swedish writer who's used this theme in his books. Stieg Larsson (the Millenium Trilogy guy) wrote a non-fiction book based on his own research into extreme right-wing groups in Sweden.

these guys have been a threat for quite some time in Scandinavia, or at least in its pop-culture. sooner or later one of them would've snapped. it's statistically inevitable, given how many of them are active in Scandinavia.

In my school there were neo-nazi flyers being passed around and older kids were often trying to recruit younger kids to join different nazi groups. The most popular guy in school was an open neo-nazi. I'm from Sweden btw.

_________________
The modern artist is working with space and time, and expressing his feelings rather than illustrating
- Jackson Pollock

ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 88
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

23 Jul 2011, 2:07 pm

Beauty_pact wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

jmnixon95 wrote:

It's really horrible, and hard to think that many of the victims of the shootings were my age.

You would prefer that the victims had been older?

ruveyn

You always seek confrontation, don't you?

.

I took you at your word. Quite literally, which is what I do.

ruveyn

jmnixon95
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 26 Dec 2009
Gender: Female
Posts: 20,931
Location: 미국

23 Jul 2011, 2:09 pm

ruveyn wrote:

I took you at your word. Quite literally, which is what I do.

ruveyn

Never said that I wanted the victims to be older. Therefore, you didn't take me at my word. You read between the lines, which weren't even supposed to exist.

ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 88
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

23 Jul 2011, 2:10 pm

jmnixon95 wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

I took you at your word. Quite literally, which is what I do.

ruveyn

Never said that I wanted the victims to be older. Therefore, you didn't take me at my word. You read between the lines, which weren't even supposed to exist.

First, I asked a question. Second, I made no statement.

ruveyn

anna-banana
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 30 Aug 2008
Age: 41
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,682
Location: Europe

23 Jul 2011, 2:13 pm

Beauty_pact wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

jmnixon95 wrote:

It's really horrible, and hard to think that many of the victims of the shootings were my age.

You would prefer that the victims had been older?

ruveyn

You always seek confrontation, don't you?

You know, I, personally, *would* have preferred that they were older. Much older, anyway.

+1

these were still young kids. they weren't even college students yet.

there is a reason why hurting children is a taboo in all human societies. that f*cking lunatic must have known that too. that's what makes him so terrifying and simply inhuman.

_________________
not a bug - a feature.

Beauty_pact
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 14 Oct 2010
Age: 143
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,314
Location: Svíþjoð

23 Jul 2011, 2:21 pm

Kiran wrote:

I knew a neo-nazi, once, a long time ago (I'm also from Sweden). I actually was a friend of his, but I most certainly did not agree with him. I stayed his friend because he was such a friendly person, it was interesting to listen to his odd arguments, and "discuss" them, and deep down, I thought I maybe could influence him to stop believing in what he did.

Once when I told him that Hitler would've wanted to kill him, too, he said that he probably would have, and he seemed okay with that thought.

One day, when I let him know that I have some Jewish blood, from a distant past, he was mildly shocked. He calmed down, though... maybe it influenced him to get those thoughts out of his head.

I'd never speak to him, again, today, though, if he hasn't changed his thought patterns, since then.

As for this killer, though, we don't actually yet know if he is a neo-nazi, and I'd suggest that people take anything that a person like this says with a grain of salt. It's very likely that he might want to keep messing with people's minds.

naturalplastic
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Age: 70
Gender: Male
Posts: 35,189
Location: temperate zone

23 Jul 2011, 4:15 pm

Arian wrote:

84 children confirmed dead on the island now.

Focus people.

That's 84 children shot deliberately by a maniac. They had no defences, and their only way off the island was to swim to safety whilst being shot at like fish in a barrel.

RIP

columbine was shocking. Then there were 32 killed by Cho at VT.
The ante keeps going up.
I suspect that these mass murderers are copycats who each try to top the last one.

Woodpecker
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,625
Location: Europe

23 Jul 2011, 4:28 pm

Maybe to stop the copy cat problem we need to get the media to manage the news to try to erase the name of the vile wretch. We should not allow the horrible criminal to make a name for themselves in the history books through their murderous outrages.

The term in hebrew for it is Yemach Shemo Vezichro (NB. This phrase is not to be used lightly)

_________________
Health is a state of physical, mental and social wellbeing and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity :alien:

I am not a jigsaw, I am a free man !

Diagnosed under the DSM5 rules with autism spectrum disorder, under DSM4 psychologist said would have been AS (299.80) but I suspect that I am somewhere between 299.80 and 299.00 (Autism) under DSM4.

Tequila
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 25 Feb 2006
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 28,897
Location: Lancashire, UK

23 Jul 2011, 4:38 pm

MotherKnowsBest wrote:

There is a growing problem with neo-nazi's here in Sweden, with them getting seats in government.

The Sweden Democrats aren't neo-Nazis, don't be ridiculous. You may disagree with their policies, they may be anti-immigration and (in some cases like the BNP) may even be anti-immigrant, but they're not neo-Nazis. Do they openly espouse Nazism?

They sound more like the BNP, and even I wouldn't call them neo-Nazis. They're unpleasant racists but not neo-Nazis.

And electorally in the UK the BNP are a tiny party that aren't worth the worry.

Last edited by Tequila on 23 Jul 2011, 4:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Tequila
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 25 Feb 2006
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 28,897
Location: Lancashire, UK

23 Jul 2011, 4:41 pm

Beauty_pact wrote:

It's not as strange as you'd think - neo-Nazism is very popular in Russia. Though not in its original form, for obvious reasons, but they certainly admire Hitler.

MotherKnowsBest
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 14 Nov 2009
Age: 52
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,196

23 Jul 2011, 4:51 pm

Tequila wrote:

MotherKnowsBest wrote:

There is a growing problem with neo-nazi's here in Sweden, with them getting seats in government.

Who said anything about Sverigedemokraterna?

Tequila
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 25 Feb 2006
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 28,897
Location: Lancashire, UK

23 Jul 2011, 4:53 pm

Because that's by far the most rational assumption to make, although SD aren't in government (but they are in parliament).

Who is it that you consider neo-Nazis then?

(gets out popcorn)

MotherKnowsBest
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 14 Nov 2009
Age: 52
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,196

23 Jul 2011, 4:55 pm

Just out of interest Tequila, why are you always the first to jump in to defend these racist groups whenever they get a mention?

Tequila
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 25 Feb 2006
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 28,897
Location: Lancashire, UK

23 Jul 2011, 5:00 pm

MotherKnowsBest wrote:

Just out of interest Tequila, why are you always the first to jump in to defend these racist groups whenever they get a mention?

I'm not defending the SD at all - I don't know enough about them. I'd probably be wary of them due to their association with the French National Front.

People are frustrated; and parties that represent that frustration will get seats in parliament - that is democracy.

If I were in Sweden, I probably wouldn't vote or I'd look at the Centre Party.

anna-banana
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 30 Aug 2008
Age: 41
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,682
Location: Europe

23 Jul 2011, 5:01 pm

the guy's own words:

Quote:

I dare not even think of how many Norwegian children who have been suicide because of these experiences (assault, robbery, rape, psychological terror committed by Muslim youths). There are probably several hundred in the last 15 years.

....Non-Muslim youth in Oslo aged 12-18 are in a particularly vulnerable situation in terms of harassment [from] Muslim youth.

source

_________________
not a bug - a feature.

MotherKnowsBest
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 14 Nov 2009
Age: 52
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,196

23 Jul 2011, 5:05 pm

Tequila wrote:

Because that's by far the most rational assumption to make, although SD aren't in government (but they are in parliament).

It's not the most rational assumption to make. It's an assumption based on your own prejudice and lack of knowledge of Swedish politics.

Tequila wrote:

Who is it that you consider neo-Nazis then?

(gets out popcorn)

Daniel Höglund

Page 4 of 10 [ 158 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ... 10 Next

Jump to:

Bombings in Oslo, Norway; shootings Post Reply New Topic

Bombings in Oslo, Norway; shootings