Justin Bieber Supposedly Fathers Child? Funny...

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Your burbling is getting annoying. Inuyasha was simply talking about how under the law Bieber cannot legally give the age of consent to a woman of nineteen years at his age. So it was statutory rape. Your response to this was to say that the law was silly, which is something Inuysha never talked about and never debated. He was simply talking about the legality of it. Claiming then that he wasn't listening to your attempt to change the argument is plain psychological projection.


So what did you do when he didn't play your game? You threw insults at him.
Are there actually any straw men being going on here? Can you actually point to one? Or are you just pickin on Inuyasha just because he's inuyasha. That's plain self-sanctimonous cowardice.

Gedrene, I'm not going to waste my time pointing out what is clearly visible over the past few pages. Your self righteousness is getting tiresome. If you can't see why I made that comment that is not my problem. Inuyasha has been his typical knee-jerk hysteric self. I resent you referring to my points as "burbling" since I have made myself incredibly clear and made relevant arguments, which Inuyasha typically does not read and instead replies to his characterization, or "Straw Man" that he makes of my posts. I've gotten used to it. If you can't see what actually went on here you are being deliberately obtuse.

Now I feel like a big jerkface because I'm arguing with Gedrene and I think he's awesome. THANKS INUYASHA

I am not talking about maturity really, I am talking about socio-sexual experience. There is not much difference between the sexual experience of a 16 year old boy and a 19 year old boy nowdays compared to the sexual experience of 16 year old boy and a 21 year old man.

but you are probably right about the woman claimed all that for fame while it is not true.
Neverless it explains the flaws within the law.

Jojo

How about you take responsibility for once instead of blaming other people for something you did.

<you didn't notice that at the end of the sentence, broseph?

Yeah, and it was sounding like you were blaming me for something you managed to do all on your own.

You can bet on that the baby's real father is closer to 26 than 16.

What, you mean call you on not actually responding to anything I wrote and deliberately misrepresenting my position, which somehow inspired Gedrene to come racing in like a knight in shining armor (and, out of character, come to the wrong conclusion, since he is just trying to be a good guy). This is a really, really interesting line of conversation and all, but things should go back on topic now as I'm really done wasting my time on this exercise in futility

It looks like Justin Bieber is going to take paternity test after getting back from Europe to "prove he's not the father". Then after that they're looking to pursue charges. Hopefully justice is served either way. It sounds like a lose-lose situation for Yeater; I don't really feel sorry for her, nor would I feel sorry for Mr. Bieber if it was the truth (although that remains to be seen). It does seem, as of this point, that Yeater is most likely lying about it (they say that her lawyers are "in hiding" now; maybe her "credible evidence" really was just a concert ticket lol).

Justin Bieber to Undergo Paternity Test

While I'm amused at the thought of Bieber fathering a child, the question of statutory rape depends on the area. In the two states I've lived in (Wyoming and Oregon), so long as the two parties are within 3 years of age of each other, it isn't considered statutory rape, regardless of whether or not they're on different sides of legal age of consent.

That is a much more reasonable law, I hope it is applicable in this case. Though I suspect that this whole story may be the product of that 19 year old's imagination

Like.. like...? Just so fallacy.


Like where? Give me an example. Not an example filled with blind asssertions and you are wrong because I imagined athat you said this rubbish. Furthermore: Just so fallacy.


Inuyasha was talking about legality. You responded with a morality argument. Ergo it's your fault that you're mocking him.


He said that having sex with a minor is statutory rape. I didn't know that fact was knee-jerk hysterics. You're seeing what you want to see.


Because you say so. You criticized and mocked Inuyasha's legal argument with a moral argument. If you qualified by saying that the legal charges were not your concern and that morally there is no concern then that would be okay. But you didn't. You simply said Inuyasha was wrong in his completely correct assertion that having sex with a minor was statutory rape. If accusing people of self-righteousness and various other unproved assertions isn't burbling then I guess I would have to call your arguments bilge.

An ironic statement when you have clearly tried to reimagine what Inuyasha said in order to feed what I suspect is a comfirmation bias in your head that must call Inuyasha wrong simply because Inuyasha is wrong alot.


Blame yourself for misreading Inuyasha.
It's ironic how many people think I am great before I disagree with them for doing something wrong.


Ironic because Inuyasha was making a legal argument and never at any moment talked about morality. he simply discussed legality and you mocked him because the legal argument was not morally tenable. You were trying to misrepresent his position by thinking he was talking about morality, which ultimately he was not. Psychological projection methinks.


It's also ironic how many people say I am out of character when I only criticize them as well.


Don't be so contradictory. You managed to constantly argue in your defence so far with logical fallacy.

Give me a break



Like where? Take every post you've decided to throw at me here and I've got that covered. You're trying to play mod for some reason, and failing miserably, since you're absolutely wrong, and instead acting like a self-righteous toady



No, Inuyasha and Lonermutant were making a moral argument when they said a nineteen year old woman who has sex with a sixteen year old male is a sexual predator, Gedrene. For f**k sake man, in case you didn't notice that is the only reason I even got involved here...



No, my problem is the assertion that a 19 year old is a sexual predator. I'm starting to think you're just trolling me for the hell of it, when clearly referring to consensual sex between human beings as "rape" is knee jerk hysterics.



I said that the law is stupid and unreasonable, for a number of reasons, and furthermore, called Inuyasha out on his assertion that a 19 year old is a sexual predator. I feel like I'm repeating myself here, because I f*****g am. You absolutely are being self-righteous, if you're unwilling to admit it, that's your problem. Someone who marches into a thread and decides to pick a fight over someone else's argument is definitely acting self-righteous, Gedrene. One can intervene in an argument in a public forum and this is fully expected, but you're not actually engaged in this debate at all, instead you're just nitpicking my posts and further wasting both our time. "Burble" all you want to rationalize it, but I fully expect you'll just shovel "bilge" at my feet as the only reason you're still maintaining this pointless line of discourse is to save face in front of your perceived audience.



No, in case you were actually reading anything Inuyasha and I were saying back and forth, Inuyasha clearly reimagined what *I* said in order to reply to the characterization he builds of anyone he chooses to argue with. In this case, he decided to make the argument that "I [Vigilans] would be screaming foul if this were the opposite", trying to make it appear I am biased in favor of females, when in reality, my position is exactly the same as a few others in this thread where I consider the age of 18 unreasonable and consider the potential implications for this particular legal case. Furthermore you have made disingenuous insinuations about Inuyasha that he obviously didn't notice since he is more interested in replying to his characterizations than actually reading posts (ie, that I'm a "coward" for arguing with him, implying that in your opinion there is something wrong with him, or accusing him of being wrong a lot here. He is fully capable of being right just like anybody else and I don't feel that I am any better than him and should hold myself above arguing with him, which is what I feel you have implied)



That was a joke, and I also didn't misread him. The only misreading being done is by you. Inuyasha doesn't read.

If you really have such a problem you can feel free to PM me, arguing semantics is an exercise in futility and is clogging up this thread

No? Why should I give you special treatment?


Now you're just saying things again without backing them up. See my example above? I explain my points. You just throw hum-drum insults and hope they'll stick. So can you actually give me an example?


Because you say so. Take a look at this post he made:

Does this talk about legality or morality? Does I'm just looking at the facts of the case mean legal or moral? ARE YOU BLIND?


You still don't understand. He was talking about a legal argument. Furthermore an argument from incredulity. A 19 year old can't be rapist is what you just said. That's weak. I take pleasure in telling people why and how they have done something wrong. I don't simply take pleasure in annoying people however. It's amazing how many cliched accusations people throw at you when they get defensive too.


Not his argument. he was simply talking legally. He wasn't saying morally ever. Furthermore your argument about how a 19 year old can't be a rapist is an argument from incredulity.


I have but I then don't call you self-righteous just because it's a convenient insult to hide behind.


Right on schedule. Anyways give me a shred of proof, like a sentence. Explain why it makes me self-righteous. Come on, try me. A good one.


How amazingly hypocritical. Inuyasha made a logical conclusion about legality and you started mocking him with smilies and attacking him with a moral argument. So you were picking a fight. Defending someone from someone picking a fight isn't picking a fight, it's defending someone.


I am saying that attacking someone for making a logical assertion about legality with a moral argument is wrong. You would see that if you weren't blind to your own fault.


Of course, forced irony through the quoting of words I used. Now someone is just sounding bitter.


Then he is at fault. But then again only a person with a severe case of recharacterization to say that this is a moral argument:

Legal as I asserted or moral as you did?


Where did I say that at all? You manage to quote a lot of things so this shouldn't be too hard. :/


Lawl I'd like to see where I actually argued any of this. Quote it.

Two things.
First: Jokes are supposed to be funny.
Second: Making something a joke doesn't instantly mean you can say anything wrong.
Third: Inuyasha must have read if he obviously picked out your attempt to make a moral line of argument whilst he made a legal one.

No, Gedrene. You should stop wasting my time



I did back it up. I said "Look at your own posts". Since that is the reason I consider you to be acting in a self-righteous manner, then I provided exactly what you asked for. You have actually been throwing insults around, the most I have referred to you as is self righteous, which is the manner you are acting. You have referred to me as a coward, insulted my arguments, and insulted Inuyasha. Now this is going into the realm of the pathetic



That is not the post I even responded to, which is something you have not yet come to realize, and are thus now engaged in a pointless argument with someone who actually respects you.

Here is where Inuyasha makes clear what is characterization of me is:
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Yes, he did refer to a legal argument. He also referred to a moral argument. Saying I cannot consider a 19 year old to be a rapist is a straw man. That has not been my argument, at all, so f**k off. My argument was quite simple- consensual sex between a 16 year old and a 19 year old is not rape. Its really, really simple Gedrene.



You fail to realize Inuyasha has been making two arguments here. I am not debating that the law is clear, I am arguing it is flawed, and furthermore, that Inuyasha's opinion about consensual sex is irrational and offensive

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Why did you even bother asking me this when the next sentence of mine actually describes why I think you are acting this way?



No, I found his and Lonermutant's assertion that a 19 year old woman who goes for a 16 year old is a sexual predator offensive. I have not once questioned whether the law is real, but rather whether the law is reasonable. And that is not really the core of the issue, what I want to know is how a 19 year old having consensual sex with a 16 year old is a sexual predator.



We're apparently arguing in different directions. I took issue with a moral statement that Lonermutant and Inuyasha made, not the legal assertion. I don't see how you can't see this



If you don't enjoy having snide insinuations you make thrown back at you, then don't make them



Gedrene, claiming that a 19 year old woman having sex with a 16 year old, consensually, is a predator, is a moral argument. Talking about the law isn't. There is a clear distinction here, if you were paying attention you would notice, instead of trying to be a white knight





No problem:
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First: Whatever floats your boat
Second: No s**t, but if people choose to take it the wrong way, that's their choice, and their problem
Third:
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Can you do me a favor and "not" go back and ninja edit posts that I have already replied to? I would have probably missed this had I not just gone back to the thread:



Oh okay, Gedrene, obviously Inuyasha made or supported no moral arguments whatsoever
Oh wait
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Btw, you still have yet to actually contribute and not just nitpick. If you want to nitpick, PM me, otherwise, I'm convinced you're pandering to an audience.