Job applications dropped on occupy Chicago protestors

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Aha so basically exposed for what it is. People with a psychopathic lack of consideration intending to belittle the protestors. You can always rely on autistics to spell out the considerations of any action in plain terms without adulteration.

I love it! Just wait long enough on a thread and an autistic will eventually tell it like it is (minus the emotional consideration).

Last I checked, taking the wind out of a group of protestors with what amounts to a prank isn't one of the diagnostic criteria for psychotic disorders, usually that kind of thing is classified under the blanket term having a sense of humor.

That troll calls everyone a psychopath

Sweetleaf, I like how you suddenly ignore me when I show you evidence that you're wrong.

Of course, because clearly demonstrating that you are shallow, have a lack of empathy and remorse and are egocentric by humilating people in such a way is usually called a sense of humour by psychopaths.

Their act is an imperious little scam used to demoralize people through belittling them. It isn't parody, which is what I'd call a sane sense of humour, it's an attempted snide put down, the clearest sign of psychopathy. It is I doubt really psychopathy however as I am sure it just popped in to their heads and they never considered their actions thoughtfully. :/

I don't think it was meant as a joke.........It was a pretty obvious insult. I mean why Mcdonalds applications? think about it. Though I would agree its not a symptom of a psychotic disorder. That's more like psychopathic behavior or anti-social behavior.

Not really. You want me to draw a list? it's a pretty long list. As for calling someone a psychopath, I said it was psychopathic, unless of course if you want to dispute that acting in a snide, overbearing, unempathetic fashion isn't doing something psychopathic.
Furthermore I'd rather characterize making snide insinuations about one's personality whilst making the troll face and then using abusive language when his temper fails him to be more indicative of a troll. Doing all of that whilst making smileys, well...

Nothing like some backtalk to help dispel rumours of rampant psychopathy.

You can't trust everything you find on google, but I'll admit I could be wrong on some of that......but there are quite a lot of problems in this country that are interfering with availibility of jobs and of course the government thinks the best idea is to cut programs some of the citizens need and give huge breaks to the powerful corporations who played their part in getting us into this whole mess to begin with.

Also, History is one topic I have spent quite a lot of time on as it intrests me....I don't see how history says its good for 1% of the population to control 90% of the wealth, if anything I think history shows how such corruption of wealth and power is bad. How am I suggesting anything that would repeat the mistakes of history?

And if the alternative systems in history are in fact ineffective........to me that does not say I should just shut up and be happy with the current system, I should not settle for something just because it's a bit less ineffective than some of the other systems that have existed in history.

And no basically I don't like the food at Mcdonalds, and its freaking disgusting and there is really no reason anyone should eat it. I mean if people want to eat that disgusting crap and then complain when they suffer health problems from it they can go for it......but working at Mcdonalds does NOT do more good then going out and protesting when you have a problem with the way things are. hence the reason I can see why the protestors where angry about it.

Oh........wait never mind my first response. lol you accused me of ignoring your post while I was responding to it.

Hi Asp-Z,

The Website in your link is another layer of balderdash.

The "numbers" listed in such counts are considered as "trash statistics" by the federal courts.

I have first hand experience with such evidence being blocked as useful evidence in federal court cases involving discimination, as I graduated from university with another Bachelor's degree in a more "favorable" career market, and I was ranked in the top 3% for the entire university, the top 1% in my major, and "outstanding scholar" with the particular federal employer's academic program.

The federal employer refused to hire me, and instead hired individuals both more, and lesser, qualified than I was qualified and ranked by the federal employer. The federal employer cited the reason as being my adversely impacted "major life activities" that were in dispute of whether caused from my disabling impairments.

"Disparate impact" statistics, including employment rates, revealed strong correlations with my class of impairments and the regarded effects of such impairments, which, while I was in the top 3% again of job candidates, the regarded impairments resulted in my being placed in the bottom 3% of the general population for consideration by employers in the general business population. The federal law prohibits federal employers from using such regarded effects in employment decisions. Therefore, I ultimately filed suit in federal court, and over a ten year period, my suit was lastly denied a writ of certiorari.

One group of issues involved in the writ was the validity/objectivity of evidence, such as what you cite and source (and argue), in matters of legal and factual status. The federal courts' ruling holding such statistics as "less than useless" in disputes, was maintained by the U. S. Supreme Court's inaction.

Your quote also ignores the "whole group" of college graduates, and instead, "cherry picks" the count of percentages of college graduates that are "working" in a manner that greatly exaggerates the numbers of members "working".

Tadzio

The stats seem to be from a reliable source. If you show me stats which display an opposite trend, perhaps we can compare.



Indeed.



Well you're in a crapload of debt and the government is cutting back on spending. Sounds very sensible to me. We're doing the same here.



Well look at all the times when a socialist system has been tried out in the past. They all ended up reverting back to capitalism again, didn't they? And they did that for a reason.



Well the current system is in fact the lesser of all the evils. Why opt for a system even worse than the current one?



Not even going to dignify this part of your post with a response.



Interesting. Mind showing me a source for that information, please?



Sorry you were unlucky, I guess. But when disputing statistics, can you please back your claims up with a source? I'm not being insulting or anything, this is something that genuinely interests me, and if I'm wrong I'll put my hand up and say so.

If the stats came from the federal government, then they probably aren't reliable.

Sure the government should cut back on spending........but it cutting public services for instance, while giving huge corporations a break is not a very good way to go about it.

It would also seem many capitalist countries have features of socialism because straight up capitalism is not such a great system either.

Also I don't know that the capitalist system in the U.S specifically is the lesser of all the evils.....that seems like more of an opinion than a fact.

And not dignifying my response with an answer is kind of like If I where to actually ignore your response like you accused me of...so I'll try and reword it. What does working at Mcdonalds accomplish that is so much better than protesting when you are unhappy with the system?

Again, if you can link me to stats from a more reliable source which show opposite trends, I will put my hand up and say I'm wrong on this particular point.



The corporations create employment and put money back into the economy. Public services are, from the perspective of governments, money down the drain which they'll never recover. It therefore makes financial sense. Again, they are doing the same thing here. I ain't complaining. It's what they gotta do to get the country out of the mess it's in.



I agree with you here. But either extreme is bad - extreme capitalism and extreme socialism are both bad systems. You need to introduce a few elements of socialism into a capitalist system to make sure it stays efficient. Personally, I think the UK went too far with this - the benefits are so high, many people don't think it's worth going back to work. But people who are unemployed do need a basic amount of money with which to purchase food and shelter until they can get another job, and of course, health care should be available to all. Again, I think the UK does this badly - the NHS is very inefficient. In Germany, health care is all private, but if you're too poor to afford your care, you get it subsidised. That's an ideal system as far as I'm concerned.



See above. I do agree with part of what you're saying.



Working at McDonald's makes you money so you can fuel the economy and, of course, support yourself as a person. Standing in the street might get you a few seconds of TV time, that's it. Besides, it's better to have a problem (not having enough money) then do something to fix it (working at McDonald's) than it is to have that problem and simply stand around complaining about it (as the protesters are doing).

Ok so public services are money down the drain because they help people who are struggling, but throwing more money at huge corporations in the hope that it will create enough jobs while cutting public services is money for a good cause? I think not. I don't see how making things even more difficult for those who are already struggling just to pay rent, put food on the table ect while giving the huge corporations a huge break will fix this mess.......unless they're thinking hopefully more people on the bottom will die due to lack of medical care, being unable to afford food ect and so there will be less people for the resources to be split between.

Yes working at Mcdonalds is a way to make money, fuel the economy and sit in your little box watching t.v ignoring everything that goes on in the world.......how does that change anything? How does that make anything better.......its about time people started looking around and realising there is more to life then fueling the economy....what are we just parts of a freaking machine? Having a job does not fix what is going on currently.

One doesn't need opposing statistics to say that a set of statistics are unreliable.



Ironic, ahistorical, fatalistic. I don't think that the Civil Rights marches could be considered a few seconds of tv time, and to say that they were not related would be quite specious, as the whole reason was that they were angry with the system. Protest has a long and illustrious history in America. As for fixing the structural deficiency of the US economy by going to work I would rather fix an engine that's broke rather than pour more petrol in to it.
Even worse is that you don't know how many of those people are employed down there. It's still an ivory throne approach being taken here, assuming that these people are just lazy and not doing the right thing, which is code for not doing what the top class want them to do.

I don't believe that the protestors are standing around because they don't have jobs per se. I think they are standing around because of the root cause, and that is untrammelled crony capitalism that has so far been propped up by government tax and has far too much government and societal influence. Now don't tell me the bailouts were necessary, because they were. But the fact is that the financial and high corporate system of the USA is far too concerned by what can only be described as three things: monopolistic, monolithic and megalomaniacal.

I've already agreed that the ideal system would provide basic benefits for the unemployed and health care for everyone, so I won't argue that.

However, at the same time, imagine for a moment you are budgeting for the government. Now, if corps have more money, they will directly fuel the economy, sell goods, and continue to provide employment, then they will give you money back in tax when you can afford to make it higher (during the next economic boom).

On the other hand, if you put money in public services, you will never get that money back. It's dead capital. You ain't gonna see it again.

Now, remember that the US has massive debts, and maybe you can start to understand why it's logical for the government to do what they're doing at the moment.



My friend who works at McDonald's isn't how you describe at all. In fact, she wants to travel the world. But she needs money to do that, don't she?

And standing on a street won't make anything better either, especially when there's no clear message you're actually trying to fight for. You'll get media coverage, yes, but nothing will get done as a result of you standing outside for a bit. The most productive thing the protestors can do is fill out the goddamn job applications.

You can't say one set of stats is unreliable then base your assumptions on nothing. If you say, "those stats are unreliable because they omit this and that, but here are stats which take more data into account and they say something different", I will accept that. But saying, "I think those stats are unreliable because I dislike the government so I'm right be default" won't fly.



You can't compare Civil Rights to a bunch of idealists who want everything for free. You really can't.

Read what I said about 100% capitalism. I do agree that elements of socialism must be present, but at the same time, the economy should be mostly capitalist, because extreme socialism, again, does not work, and history shows this.



Fair point, but they're certainly not being useful assets to society by advocating a system which history has proven ineffective over and over. Perhaps if they were advocating a better budgeting policy instead of socialism I'd sympathise a bit more.



See above. I do agree extreme capitalism is not the right way to go about things. But extreme socialism is worse.

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