aspergers and criminal behavior
Did you not pay attention that words have a very important role in these papers? It is always the "may" and "could" suggesting a possibility and not a fact. However you seem to try to put your opinion of autism not being connected to criminality as fact.
So I am done here as it will just go on and on and on about you trying to state a certainty and me trying to state a possibility and not a certainty.
No the words "this study does not attempt to find an association between autism and criminality" means something very different than you contend. Adding a phrase some people with ASDs and a propensity to crime may need special attention does not somehow change the message.
The papers simply don't say what you think they say.
Asperger's doesn't cause criminal behavior. It might be possible that a particular person with asperger's feels ostracized, isolated, and decides to retaliate and perhaps this retaliation is in part caused by bullying or ostracism. But that doesn't mean that another person who undergoes the exact same circumstances might not retaliate. And that doens't mean that autistics as a whole are more prone to violence. Yes, there might be an indirect "link" in some specific circumstances... and of course, society as a whole should treat the marginalized better. So many bullies out there cry disbelief when a marginalized person acts out violent. It's like, shut the hell up ,you as*hole. And so many people are as*holes.
I truly believe that most of the world's problems today come from bad parenting. Spanking, hitting, yelling, are passed down from generation to generation and until we start parenting better, there are always going to be angry people out there.
As for the psychopaths, well they provide us something to fight against. I'm not worried about them. They provide an easy target, they give us something to rally against. My bigger problem is with bad parenting.
You may wish to believe that this is what has happened in this thread, but your own words are still here:
I don't believe that is factual.
None of these studies support a conclusion that people with Aspergers are significantly more likely to commit murder or arson than an NT--please note that that is not your "statement of possibility" but an erroneous assertion of fact.
If you actually have data support the statement that "most studies" show that, please reference it.
If you have any links to papers that make this kind of statement, please let me know their titles.
But you just can't take statements like these:
"Although this study does not answer whether ASDs are associated with increased risk of violent offending compared with the general population, careful risk assessment and management may be indicated for some individuals with Asperger syndrome."
"Our review did not attempt to find out if, based on recent literature, persons with AS can be described as being at greater risk of committing violent crime than the general population."
And claim they support this:
"most studies indicate that people with Aspergers are significantly more likely to commit murder or arson than an NT"
Your choice, but I'll take it as an indication that you have no evidence to support the assertions you made earlier in the thread.
People get burned out debating all the time, myself included. I don't agree with Aniihya, Aniihya doesn't agree with me or you. No matter how much we go round and round none of us will probably ever agree completely with the others, and continuing the debate would get nowhere. Don't take a person getting burned out as victory.
Besides, the argument isn't really about any of the posters, it's about the people that read the viewpoints expressed here-- many who never post. Turning it into a personal fight only turns them away from your viewpoint.
Your choice, but I'll take it as an indication that you have no evidence to support the assertions you made earlier in the thread.
People get burned out debating all the time, myself included. I don't agree with Aniihya, Aniihya doesn't agree with me or you. No matter how much we go round and round none of us will probably ever agree completely with the others, and continuing the debate would get nowhere. Don't take a person getting burned out as victory.
Besides, the argument isn't really about any of the posters, it's about the people that read the viewpoints expressed here-- many who never post. Turning it into a personal fight only turns them away from your viewpoint.
Fair enough. But if there was evidence to support those remarkable statements, I would like to see it. If there isn't evidence, then the claim should not have been made.
Maybe it doesn't matter, but maybe it could do great harm.
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As person with milder form of Pervasive Developmental Disorder with history of mental health crisis.
Governments and other facility related to medical subjects, keeps putting general description that people with ASD are more likely to be victims of perpetrators, I however think that people with mild forms of ASD are more likely to perpetrate than a profoundly developmentally delayed population, because the more mild your symptoms of developmental delay becomes, the more you are you are less likely prone to be victim and more likely to be perpetrate compare to people with profound symptoms of developmental delay.
Because symptoms of developmental disorders comes from profound to mild person with history of developmental delay with almost to normal state of mind
based on my opinion but may contain facts, although it is true that people with history of developmental delays and mental disorders are more likely to be victims of perpetrators than being a perpetrators themselves, it is because of severe form of developmental disorders, people with milder forms of developmental disorders and mental disorders are more likely to be perpetrators than a person with moderate to profound and very, very severe form of developmental disorders, because anyone with severe disorders are not able to function as very well in the nature and might have a learning issues that prevents a person from committing most crimes or prevent a person from breaking the laws at all.
I assume that there are people with very rare form of developmental disorder with symptoms of conduct disorder NPD and APD with psychotic features that can make him or her to make bad choices that may lead to criminal acts
My symptoms of Pervasive Developmental Disorder is mild to the point where I am able to do things that involves social skills, have all the skills to be like a psychopath ( as I developed all the social skills by getting special education) and because I don't have trouble with social skills at all anymore, I am more likely to commit crimes than a profoundly developmentally delayed population.
Just because I have Pervasive Developmental Disorder, doesn't mean that I am not capable of of being a perpetrator, especially because my symptoms of developmental delays are now very mild
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I don't have trouble with social skills at all anymore, even though I do have history of developmental delay and reports that in childhood and early adolescents that I had developmentally delayed milestones and delusional prospective of myself that is part of developmental delay
The problem is that ADHD and milder form of developmental disorders is a lot more common and widespread, compare to anyone with profound developmental disorders
Milder forms of developmental disorders is widespread to the point where criminals can have developmental dsiorders
Criminals are living beings too, any living being can have any health problems
The problem is that there are developmental disorders that might cause you to commit crimes, even though Autism in itself does not cause you to commit crimes
The criminality can also be caused be genetic genetic deficiencies or one and more environmental factors
ADHD is also a developmental disorder
https://www.psychiatry.org/File%20Libra ... ntents.pdf
By the way, you seem to have mistaken "significant increase" for "most people with hfASD are murderers". In one study, it is mentioned that 3% are likely to commit murder versus 1.5% for NTs. While arson is 15% for hfASD and 5% for NTs. Not all murders have something to do with retaliation or anger. Many of them happened out of sheer negligence. There is one case mentioned where a man diagnosed with Aspergers lit his house on fire, because he wanted to look like a hero and start anew. However his daughter died in the incident. He got jailtime for murder.
And autism isn't an indicator for mass murder and serial killing. It is indicated that people who kill many (by themselves compared to dictators), are in fact often of extraordinary intelligence. It is not an assumption. It is an observation. Back in the olden day, it is unknown of what intelligence mass murderers were, since back then people could not be tracked as quickly and temporarily get away with it. Nowadays, to commit more than just a double murder or even plan a murder, people need to be thorough and intelligent, trimming down the group to those who are more intellectually adept.
So, instead of assuming what people think you should do the research.
I don't mean to be peaky, but it sounds like that this person that burned the house on fire and killed his daughter without meaning to. What you mentioned that he has severe delusions of grander alongside with ASD, and should get murder charged down to voluntary manslaughter. In order to murder, you need to kill with malice. And he cannot be found completely responsible for his actions, because he has delusions of grandeur.
It is possible to have Autism Spectrum Disorder and Antisocial Personality Disorder, as well as are much more likely to be victims than perpetrators, some victims also can become criminals, but that is rare. Some victims become delusional or psychotic and then develop severe personality disorders and unhealthy paraphilias/unhealthy fetishes and make delusional excuses as to why they want to murder their abusers and some of those people commit murder against their abusers.
To say that victims can't become criminals is false and untrue because being abused for a long time can affect your mental health badly into symptoms of personality disorders that may lead to criminal behavior later on in young adulthood.
Research, sources, and references:
1) https://www.google.com/search?q=The+cau ... s-wiz-serp
2) https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... evelopment.
3) https://www.samhsa.gov/mental-health/an ... y-disorder
4) https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/d ... y-disorder
5) https://jaapl.org/content/49/4/462
6) https://www.google.com/search?q=Autism+ ... s-wiz-serp
7) https://www.purdueglobal.edu/blog/crimi ... ce-system/
But Prof. Sam Vaknin links crime to High-functioning Autism, also known as Autism Spectrum Disorder Level 1: https://youtu.be/7GjuAdqi1nA
Same thing with Wikipedia as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-func ... m#Behavior
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