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16 Sep 2012, 9:54 pm

some of the claims i have made i cannot explain until they are found to be untrue, for the protection of those involved.

you sound like someone who has never seen nor experienced anything spiritual.
this is not all that uncommon today, due to the prophetic falling away of the church.
don't worry, you'll see the revival in the last days, when people turn back to God because they find out FEMA camps really do exist.



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16 Sep 2012, 10:10 pm

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some of the claims i have made i cannot explain until they are found to be untrue, for the protection of those involved.

Then they can be disregarded completely.

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you sound like someone who has never seen nor experienced anything spiritual.

Oh, I've had plenty of spiritual experiences, which later turned out to have ordinary physical causes.

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this is not all that uncommon today, due to the prophetic falling away of the church.

Due to false Christian prophets predicting things that don't come true, false Christian healers failing to heal amputees, false Christian miracle workers using sleight-of-hand and fast talk on gullible and ignorant people, and false Christians in general who've never really studied the Bible making claims about its contents that turn out to be untrue.

Christian don't worry, you'll see the revival in the last days, when people turn back to God because they find out FEMA camps really do exist.[/quote]
FEMA camps do exist, especially after natural disasters. However, their mere existence does not precipitate the "Last Days", just as the Nazi death camps did not bring about the Second Coming.

Never assume more than what the available evidence will support -- and if there is no evidence, then make no assumptions at all.



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16 Sep 2012, 10:33 pm

"Oh, I've had plenty of spiritual experiences, which later turned out to have ordinary physical causes. "

well, that explains everything, because there was nothing there in the first place.



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17 Sep 2012, 1:25 am

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Christanity is a violent religion; those who do not believe as Christians do are often victims of violence. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the Witch Trials ... not to mention Koresh's Branch Davidians and the Jonestown Massacre.
Christianity is also based on slavery, the subjugation of women, and the slaughter of native peoples to steal their lands and properties.
It says so in the Bible.


Perhaps that would explain why people who have near death experiences, and given second chances are sent back with the warning that FEW! will enter the kingdom.


As I recall, Christ plainly spoke of a resurrection on the last day, which would mean that the dead don't immediately go to heaven, which means near death experiences are nothing more than delusions and hallucinations.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

you're not one of those people who believe the last prophet was John the Baptist are you?


Yes, I am. I believe God revealed himself in Christ, and as his message was recorded in the Gospels and the epistles for posterity, there is no longer a need of any further prophets.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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17 Sep 2012, 5:44 am

how accurate and reliable is the hebrew calender.is it realy 5773 and is it realy 2012.the roman calender for a while only had ten months and im not sure when leap year was added.i believe the hebrew calender has a leap month every so often between adar and nisan but how long has this been done.the roman calender only goes back two thousand years but the hebrew calender goes back almost three times that and in times when people knew little about science.as far as i know the romans did not change the date to ajust for the addition of augustus and julius and also the addition of leap year.for all we know its 1885.likewise how do we know what the exact hebrew year is,it could be 4983 or 6342


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17 Sep 2012, 4:49 pm

First of all I have a special interest in conspiracy theories which I collect like some collect porcelain figurines, and without believing so here the one I collected about our current president Barack Obama. It seems the name Barack Obama, phonetically in Hebrew means Lightening for above, or the heavens, which is how Lucifer is described not the anti-Christ. Another interesting observation is Lucifer's counter part in the Greek pantheon would be Prometheus, who is viewed as a hero, the creator of mankind, the granter of fire and champion of man.


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17 Sep 2012, 4:56 pm

my Jewish friend says his name doesn't mean lightning from heaven, but i think he was lying to me, because he doesn't want to believe anything i have to say about what is really going on in the world. (check out freemantv.com for a few weeks worth of information on this stuff)

in any case, predicting the future is not rocket science, all you have to do is understand that a bunch of fallen angels run the planet and they do nothing without man's permission. this is why Freeman can predict 9/11, bush forced in, and the next president be not considered legitimate, all prior to 9/11.

in any case, the petrodollar just got the final nail in the coffin, so within 2 years you'll have a days wages for a quart of barley anyway...



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17 Sep 2012, 5:03 pm

my personal theory is that jewish mystics who also have a 2012 prophecy that was just found to be not legit yesterday, altered it to line it up with the myan callender which starts over in 2012, which is 5772/3. I do not believe it is an accident that its off by 3.x + 231 years.
some say however that the real Jewish callender should read 6010, not 6000 in 2012.
so no, i don't believe its an accident that america was founded in 1776 either, nor is it an accident that the dollar will be dead by the end of the year at the rate things are going. they might hold it over for a while but something is starting to smell.

so you might have 2 weeks to buy a water filter and a sack of rice, but that's not going to help you when UN troops are called in to restore order, just as Kissinger said you'd like it, back in 1991.



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17 Sep 2012, 5:07 pm

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you have a free will.

you can pledge allegiance to God, or to the Government.

How about neither.

Obama fulfils the signs that you want to see. the ones you don't want to see, like the fact that he's a gay Muslim, you don't want to see.
or the fact that he is the 72 IMAM who will unite the Muslim world into attacking the nation of Israel.
"the man of sin be revealed" sin is a mis translation of the original text which was a symbol, not a word. turn it on its side and its the muslim headpiece.

The mark of the beast is the offer of man, it is interest, it is trusting in man, not God.
It is paying taxes to an illegitimate government.

lol, what did you think the guillotines in the FEMA camps were for? for all those conspiracy theorists who won't worship the NWO.


A gay muslim? that is an interesting theory but I find it a little ridiculous considering the guy is married. Also considering how the more extreme muslims view homosexuality how the hell would a 'gay muslim' unite them all for anything?


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17 Sep 2012, 5:19 pm

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my personal theory is that jewish mystics who also have a 2012 prophecy that was just found to be not legit yesterday, altered it to line it up with the myan callender which starts over in 2012, which is 5772/3. I do not believe it is an accident that its off by 3.x + 231 years.
some say however that the real Jewish callender should read 6010, not 6000 in 2012.
so no, i don't believe its an accident that america was founded in 1776 either, nor is it an accident that the dollar will be dead by the end of the year at the rate things are going. they might hold it over for a while but something is starting to smell.

so you might have 2 weeks to buy a water filter and a sack of rice, but that's not going to help you when UN troops are called in to restore order, just as Kissinger said you'd like it, back in 1991.
like i asked previously,how accurate are these calculation


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17 Sep 2012, 5:31 pm

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in any case, predicting the future is not rocket science, all you have to do is understand that a bunch of fallen angels run the planet


You are either a troll or in serious need of a psychological evaluation for these paranoid delusions. Seriously, you need to see a doctor.


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17 Sep 2012, 5:34 pm

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johansen wrote:
in any case, predicting the future is not rocket science, all you have to do is understand that a bunch of fallen angels run the planet


You are either a troll or in serious need of a psychological evaluation for these paranoid delusions. Seriously, you need to see a doctor.


lol, btw my local congressmen wokeup up to UN agenda 21. conspiracy theory to fact in only 60 years....
time to go dust off that copy of Protocols and the report from iron mountain again..



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17 Sep 2012, 6:39 pm

johansen wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
johansen wrote:
in any case, predicting the future is not rocket science, all you have to do is understand that a bunch of fallen angels run the planet


You are either a troll or in serious need of a psychological evaluation for these paranoid delusions. Seriously, you need to see a doctor.


lol, btw my local congressmen wokeup up to UN agenda 21. conspiracy theory to fact in only 60 years....
time to go dust off that copy of Protocols and the report from iron mountain again..
you still wont give me the logic behind your numerical calculations.


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17 Sep 2012, 7:23 pm

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you still wont give me the logic behind your numerical calculations.


the numerical calculations are convenient, they are not proof, there is never any "proof" in the eyes of the blind until the day the sun rises in the west...
the significance of the 3.x year plus 231 years is that 3.5 years is half of the tribulation, 1260 days, and 231 years is the length of a bactun on the myan calender.



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17 Sep 2012, 7:34 pm

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you still wont give me the logic behind your numerical calculations.


the numerical calculations are convenient, they are not proof, there is never any "proof" in the eyes of the blind until the day the sun rises in the west...
the significance of the 3.x year plus 231 years is that 3.5 years is half of the tribulation, 1260 days, and 231 years is the length of a bactun on the myan calender.
you missed the point.

we dont know what year it is:we dont know its roman year 2012 or hebrew year 5773.with the advent of leap years and the addition of augustus and julius to the roman calender and so on.
the hebrew leap year is accoplished by every so often adding a extra month between adar and nisan but when did this tradition start and how does this affect the actual year it is.for all we know its 1887C.E and 6243 in the hebrew year


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17 Sep 2012, 7:42 pm

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you missed the point.

we dont know what year it is:we dont know its roman year 2012 or hebrew year 5773.with the advent of leap years and the addition of augustus and julius to the roman calender and so on.
the hebrew leap year is accoplished by every so often adding a extra month between adar and nisan but when did this tradition start and how does this affect the actual year it is.for all we know its 1887C.E and 6243 in the hebrew year


nah, that's nonsense, everything fits. Israel's history fits the lunar tetrads to the day, all the way back as far as we know.
there was some debate about the mayan callender being off by 231 years or something but we know the date because the math works, not because someone says they saw the moon rise back in 1500 and spoke to some natives.