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It would be a lot easier to read if you guys didn't quote the entire thread every post!

I have nothing against guns themselves, or gun owners. I'm against the cult of gun worship, and the notion that gun rights are unlimited, and supersedes all other rights that accompanies said gun cult.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I know, I know. It's sometimes difficult to remember when you're creating a mile long of quotes if you're into a conversation.

However, nothing supersedes the right of self defense. That is the one right that is absolute for humans. The right preserve one's own life and the life of one's own family. It is inherently pro-survival and is virtually wired in to human being by way of Darwinian Selection.

ruveyn

Why couldn't gun ownership/use be a test right, such as being licensed to drive a motor vehicle. To get the permit or license one would have to be of age, not a convicted felon or inmate of a psychiatric clinic and one would have to pass tests practical and written. If the thing could be administered fairly and in a non-corrupt manner (no bribing the testers) that should answer the objections or fears that many people have concerning firearms.

In Switzerland and Israel where men of a certain age are obliged to perform militia duty, possession of automatic and semi-automatic fire arms is widespread, but there is no sign of excessive homicide by use of firearms. So merely having the firearm is no sure predictor that it will be misused. And in the context of a militia (presumable legal and well ordered) there is training and discipline for firearm use.

ruveyn

Though I'm still not convinced that would prevent some nut from using one to hurt other people. But then I'm not for banning guns. I'm for readily accessible mental health care.