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07 Apr 2013, 7:06 pm

chris5000 wrote:
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I think its fair

he paralyzed another person for life.

When he was 14.

actions have consequences

And barbarians have opinions, it would seem...



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08 Apr 2013, 2:40 pm

chris5000 wrote:
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I think its fair

he paralyzed another person for life.


When he was 14.


actions have consequences


Suppose it was an accident. But Muslims do not ;ponder the issue of mens rea do they? Its strictly the code of Hammarabi.

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08 Apr 2013, 7:54 pm

but it was not an accident

he stabbed his best friend



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08 Apr 2013, 8:23 pm

Suppose they were rehearsing a play and there was supposed to be a "stage' stab" which unfortunately became a real stab.

Or perhaps A was practicing knife throwing and B walked into the path of the knife inadvertently.

In the West, mens rea would have to be established to bring a criminal homicide charge.

Did these Jiahdis establish mens rea or did they simply take the outward appearance of the act as the deciding matter?

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08 Apr 2013, 9:32 pm

so you agree with the ruling on this case http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4854123/Thug-who-burned-a-lad-to-death-will-serve-just-21-months-sparking-campaigners-fury.html

were he burned a kid to death but only got 21 months because it was an "accident"?



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09 Apr 2013, 7:39 am

kouzoku wrote:
I'm merely stating that there are plenty of them who DON'T act according to Jesus' teachings.

If this is what you were trying to say, why not just say that?

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Nowhere did I say ALL of them do, but the fact that a fair amount do shows that a civilization founded on Jesus' teachings would not necessarily be free of similar issues as the original topic.

There is a rather big difference between a nation with institutionalized Christianity (there have been several in history, and it frequently doesn't work out well), and a nation founded on Jesus' teachings (which I don't believe has ever existed and would be, quite literally, heaven on earth).

I think you've rather deeply misunderstood Tensu's original quote.


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11 Apr 2013, 10:55 pm

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And about the death penalty and other cruel punishments... I find most people think it's ok for other people to be subjected to that. But what if you just happened to have an idiot son or an idiot sibling that ends up on death row? I can't image what it would be like to have your own child be executed by your own government.

How is the death penalty cruel? Especially compared to paralyzing someone or putting them in jail for the rest of their lives.

Given the sort of thing you have to do to get executed in the country I live in, if I had a sibling end up on death row, I'd probably be more horrified by what they'd done than where they ended up.


I realize this is a derail, but if you jail someone and discover later that they are innocent, they can be set free. If you execute them, you can't un-execute them. The issue with permanence is that the justice system has inherent flaws, and punishments that cannot be undone are clearly based more on the idea of retribution rather than protecting the rest of society or attempting to rehabilitate people that have gone down the wrong path.

The death penalty argument is complicated. The torture argument shouldn't be. Saudi Arabia's adherence to sharia law for its justice system is medieval in its brutality. It accomplishes nothing but destruction.



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11 Apr 2013, 11:07 pm

kouzoku wrote:
Tensu was the one that brought Christianity into the conversation. No other religions other than Islam and Christianity have been brought up thus far. Hence the content of my replies.


Actually, it was fogman. My first post in this thread was a sarcastic response to fogman's post.