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And I'm saying that no matter how foolish you think someone is, the primaty focus should be on those who do wrong. Crime is worse than stupidity in my book, so IMO more focus should be on the criminal.
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And I'm saying that no matter how foolish you think someone is, the primaty focus should be on those who do wrong. Crime is worse than stupidity in my book, so IMO more focus should be on the criminal.
Well no s**t! Did I ever say that doing the crime was not the primary culprit? No, I didnt even imply it. Getting back to drunkenness and rape, what I said was it's best for girls not to make themselves more vulnerable by being excessively intoxicated at parties or anywhere else in public.
I think I've been clear enough on this and I'm not going to change my stand on it.
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And I'm saying that no matter how foolish you think someone is, the primaty focus should be on those who do wrong. Crime is worse than stupidity in my book, so IMO more focus should be on the criminal.
Well no sh**! Did I ever say that doing the crime was not the primary culprit? No, I didnt even imply it. Getting back to drunkenness and rape, what I said was it's best for girls not to make themselves more vulnerable by being excessively intoxicated at parties or anywhere else in public.
I think I've been clear enough on this and I'm not going to change my stand on it.
Considering that your only real input was that girls shouldn't get drunk, I made the assumption that this was your primary focus on the issue. You seemed to be putting a load of blame on females who drink more than they probably should, which I have a problem with.
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And I'm saying that no matter how foolish you think someone is, the primaty focus should be on those who do wrong. Crime is worse than stupidity in my book, so IMO more focus should be on the criminal.
Well no sh**! Did I ever say that doing the crime was not the primary culprit? No, I didnt even imply it. Getting back to drunkenness and rape, what I said was it's best for girls not to make themselves more vulnerable by being excessively intoxicated at parties or anywhere else in public.
I think I've been clear enough on this and I'm not going to change my stand on it.
Considering that your only real input was that girls shouldn't get drunk, I made the assumption that this was your primary focus on the issue. You seemed to be putting a load of blame on females who drink more than they probably should, which I have a problem with.
There is a lot of focus on the victim's behaviour in this thread. It's almost like the actions of a male rapist are something that cannot be altered, so women have to do what they can to protect themselves. Is this true? Is rapist behaviour unalterable?
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You need the one with the slotted front...
Maybe one with an alarm that goes off."Intruder alert,Intruder alert."Something like a car alarm.
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Yeah, but if you extrapolate from that then any victim who can act to avoid being such could be chastised in the same way. But this wouldn't be right. It is not for the victims to conform to their attacker's standards.
Raptor, I know you said someone, but I'm specifying women because that seems to be the general focus and I think women deserve no more chastisement then men for attending drinking parties and becoming so inebriated as to be not in control of their functioning. But I have to ask, does anybody need to be doing this? Perhaps the problem of rape could be addressed by dealing with the excessive drinking that exists among young people, especially on campuses. But I know that comes down to money. Beer and liquor producers are a big part of the economy.
Ban drinking on campus and now it becomes a challenge like everything else that's illegal.
That and/or it'll drive all the drunken binges and parties off campus and the locals will have fits over that.
The cause of rape isn't booze any more than the cause of misspelled words is pencils. Rapist are predators and one of the ways to avoid being their prey is not to be so vulnerable. There will always be rapists so it's more a matter of countering them in the field or in the act than trying weed them out before the fact or catch and prosecute them after the fact.
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Telling people not to make themselves easy targets is not "victim blaming", it's simple practicality. In a perfect world, you should be able to flash your cash in a poor neighborhood, leave valuables in the open in your house in front of an open window, leave your car running while you run into a shop for a second, or, yes, drink to excess in public, without suffering adverse consequences because of predatory people, but we don't live in that world, and it's stupid, not to mention potentially dangerous, to act as though we do. That's the entire point I'm trying to make here, and I suspect it's Raptor's as well.
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Okay, I get what you are saying that it's not a perfect world - it's full of predators and one has to reduce one's vulnerability. It's just that the focus is on the poor behaviour of the victim rather than outrage that someone would do such a thing. It's like we've culturally given up on even attempting a perfect world.
I don't mean banning alcohol on campuses either, what I mean is people should have a different attitude to it. Wishful thinking there.
I don't think drunkenness is the cause of rape, but I do think it's a contributing factor. Like women, men make mistakes in judgement when they're drunk.
I don't mean banning alcohol on campuses either, what I mean is people should have a different attitude to it. Wishful thinking there.
I don't think drunkenness is the cause of rape, but I do think it's a contributing factor. Like women, men make mistakes in judgement when they're drunk.
Close enough for now......
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Ban drinking on campus and now it becomes a challenge like everything else that's illegal.
That and/or it'll drive all the drunken binges and parties off campus and the locals will have fits over that.
The cause of rape isn't booze any more than the cause of misspelled words is pencils. Rapist are predators and one of the ways to avoid being their prey is not to be so vulnerable. There will always be rapists so it's more a matter of countering them in the field or in the act than trying weed them out before the fact or catch and prosecute them after the fact.
How ever did you fly back to your nest shitfaced?
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I've driven home on "auto-pilot" a few times even before I was legally old enough to drink.
Auto-pilot meaning you and your car got home although there is no memory of driving home and you were in no condition to be walking let alone driving. Additionally, there is evidence that you drove your car and not someone else by the fact that you found your car the next morning parked half sideways with the door left open and a puddle of puke next to it.
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Auto-pilot meaning you and your car got home although there is no memory of driving home and you were in no condition to be walking let alone driving. Additionally, there is evidence that you drove your car and not someone else by the fact that you found your car the next morning parked half sideways with the door left open and a puddle of puke next to it.
I had driven home shitfaced more often than I like to admit in my younger years. As I had gained a tremendous tolerance to alcohol through many misspent nights, and weighed three hundred pounds in those days, and so was able to absorb beer much better, I was never in a state where I had no memory of driving home.
Today, my wife would murder me if I ever did anything that stupid again.
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