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19 Dec 2014, 11:47 pm

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Sorry, but I am still not satisfactorily convinced that N. Korea has anything to do with this. I am not a complete expert on N. Korea but neither am I uninformed. The west is just as capable as spinning propaganda as an communist/Socialist country (please spare me the redundant "Obama is a socialist" BS). A lot of the problems we have with N. Korea have been created by US government taunting and provocation. And propaganda ridiculing their leaders eccentricities and peculiarities. Just prior to Bush becoming POTUS there was a lot of joint cultural exchanges and activity taking place between the north and the south that had not been seen or hoped for in decades, then Bush started off his term by immediately verbally assaulting and provoking the north into face saving mode of meaningless and futile threats as retaliation for our idiocy. Maybe I am wrong and they are involved but I am not taking the word of the US government on it without verification other than our government. US government has a history of provoking other nations into anti-US mode, whatever ulterior motivation might lie behind the provocations. I don't see any mention of this Sony movie incident in any N. Korean newspapers even though there is considerable amounts of other anti-west propaganda to be found.

Link to one English version of one N. Korean newspaper: http://www.naenara.com.kp/en/news/

While I am solidly in the camp that proclaims that W Shrub was hardly a genius when it came to foreign policy, you have to consider how the Kim dynasty of North Korea have established themselves as the new deities of their nation, and how people who think themselves to be gods are reckless with their own narcissism and display of power. This image of North Korea's rulers is hardly the figment of the Neocon's imagination.
And feel free to ask anyone here - I'm a flaming liberal, and hardly a defender of President Obama'a predecessor.

I am not saying N. Korea leaderships is incapable of this. I just see no evidence that compels me to take all of this for granted. A true narcissist with the bravado we have seen displayed by the present N. Korean leader would proudly take credit for what he is being accused of. I am very well aware the history of the N. Korean leadership. I was married for twenty years to a S Korean Civics major with direct ancestral ties to N. Korea. I am familiar with the politics of the two countries. Not as familiar as I used to be but I still need to see proof beyond some government motivated propaganda.

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19 Dec 2014, 11:50 pm

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I still need to see proof beyond some government motivated propaganda.

where would you say all this is gonna head?

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19 Dec 2014, 11:52 pm

With regards to Sony caving to North Korean threats by cancelling the movie, "The Interview", I read that before the cancellation, actors in the movie cancelled promotional activites after the North Korean threats, so why isn't anyone accusing them of caving? And many movie theatres opted out of showing the movie too.

I read that Sony is thinking about releasing the movie on DVD. That would be a way of getting it to the public. I wouldn't want to watch that film in a theatre with those sort of terrorist threats looming over my head. How could you enjoy the movie? Or what if a copycat decided to strike? (think Batman movie).

I don't like going to the movies anyway unless there aren't many people around because I find all the sounds and silhouettes distracting. But to each his own.

If Sony had released the film and it went to theatres, would there be security guards and police to ensure that it was safe for the public to watch the film without being attacked (there is police security at other events)?

Just some opinions.

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20 Dec 2014, 12:17 am

DVD release isn't a bad idea; but seriously, thinking that North Korea could launch a 9/11 type attack on every theater playing the movie is just absurd. Plus, Kim has to realize that any such attack on American soil would lead to the devastation of his country. The people in Hollywood are just chicken, and hardly deserve to be counted in the company of the directors, writers, and actors who faced black listing for sticking to their principles during the Red Scare.

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20 Dec 2014, 12:21 am

being that sony caved relatively early, I am wondering what worse secrets were about to be divulged.

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20 Dec 2014, 12:40 am

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being that sony caved relatively early, I am wondering what worse secrets were about to be divulged.

To be sure they were embarrassed by emails that had been leaked, so anything's possible. I would think if something that Sony had wanted to hide was accessible, it would have been revealed by now, though.

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20 Dec 2014, 12:45 am

on the other side of the coin, if all the bad stuff is out in the open now, then why did sony cave in the first place? what more could it have lost?

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20 Dec 2014, 12:48 am

I'll be slightly controversial here:

I don't think the 'right to free speech' equates to saying anything as/when and being able to brush it off by saying 'it's just a joke'.

Different cultures have different values; in today's world, there should be more cultural sensitivity.

Maybe someone can inform me here as I'm not big on movies, but have there been any movies made ridiculing actual US presidents, and not a fictional president?

A movie such as 'The Sodomizing of Lincoln'?

I personally feel there is huge arrogance in the film-makers, and lack of accountability.

I'm sure we autistics would more than likely be highly offended if a movie was made ridiculing autism.

Personally I'm not a fan of ridiculing anyone, irrespective of past actions.

(in saying this, if NK hacked, this was a bad decision to make. Better for them to take legal action).

Worth also noting that a country considered as 'backward' as NK can successfully hack one of the world's biggest corporations almost at will.

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20 Dec 2014, 12:57 am

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Y'know, if I had had a choice in North Korea's actions, I much would have preferred that they had made the Sodomizing Lincoln than forcing Sony to cancel showing The Interview, as it would would have just been an expression of free speech..
Actually, plenty of Neo-Confederate nutbars in this country would go see the movie defaming Lincoln in droves.

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20 Dec 2014, 12:58 am

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plenty of Neo-Confederate nutbars in this country would go see the movie defaming Lincoln in droves.

I wonder what they woulda thought of "deliverance"?

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20 Dec 2014, 1:00 am

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on the other side of the coin, if all the bad stuff is out in the open now, then why did sony cave in the first place? what more could it have lost?

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I think Sony are just cowards, regardless if everything embarrassing was revealed or not. Dollar signs are more important to them than ethics and principles.

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20 Dec 2014, 1:02 am

auntblabby wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

plenty of Neo-Confederate nutbars in this country would go see the movie defaming Lincoln in droves.

I wonder what they woulda thought of "deliverance"?

Might have thought the rape scene was stolen from their home movies. :lol:

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20 Dec 2014, 1:02 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

on the other side of the coin, if all the bad stuff is out in the open now, then why did sony cave in the first place? what more could it have lost?

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I think Sony are just cowards, regardless if everything embarrassing was revealed or not. Dollar signs are more important to them than ethics and principles.

too bad they didn't just stick to making neat electronic equipment

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20 Dec 2014, 1:08 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

on the other side of the coin, if all the bad stuff is out in the open now, then why did sony cave in the first place? what more could it have lost?

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I think Sony are just cowards, regardless if everything embarrassing was revealed or not. Dollar signs are more important to them than ethics and principles.

too bad they didn't just stick to making neat electronic equipment

Hell, maybe we Americans can pick up the slack in that department!

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20 Dec 2014, 1:16 am

can dream, in any case, of the America that coulda been had more enlightened heads prevailed.

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20 Dec 2014, 1:50 am

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can dream, in any case, of the America that coulda been had more enlightened heads prevailed.

I don't want to give up hope yet.

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