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02 Dec 2015, 7:25 pm

Adamantium wrote:
... What kind of terrorists would target developmentally disabled people?
The kind of terrorists who show no mercy toward anyone.



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02 Dec 2015, 7:26 pm

Seriously, WTF is wrong with people these days?! :x


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02 Dec 2015, 7:26 pm

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I heard on NBC news that the place where the gunman shot people was a special needs center, and at the special needs center, there was holiday party. I am starting to think that the gunman are against people with disabilities.
One thing is sure, whoever did this must die a horrible and painful death.
No.

Whoever did this must receive justice through Due Process, not cowboy justice.

We need to show the world - especially those places under terrorist rule - the ours is a nation ruled by law, not revenge.
But monsters deserve no more mercy than they have shown to their victims.


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02 Dec 2015, 7:28 pm

In answer to gun-control freaks ...

Laws don't stop terrorists; bullets do.


In answer to the revenge freaks ...

Once they're stopped, bring them to justice.



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02 Dec 2015, 7:30 pm

AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
Seriously, WTF is wrong with people these days?! :x

Take your pick:
*Easy access to weapons
*No outlet for emotions
*Society not funding mental health services
*Society being hard on those who have disabilities
*Society tearing men down for mental health issues
*Society over working everyone
*Lots of people barely making ends meat
*People too stressed with no time to unwind
*People not getting the help they need.
*People being hateful
Etc...

Add in the fact that the U.S. population owns almost 50% of all the guns in the world, you get big mess.


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02 Dec 2015, 7:35 pm

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The news is saying that Obama has not addressed anything yet like he has in all the other shootings. That's why they are leaning towards terrorism.


Terrorists perpetrate violence in order to promote some political cause or pressure politicians toward some particular goal.

What kind of terrorists would target developmentally disabled people?

There is no Anti-Downs Syndrome Liberation Front or Neurotypical Supremacists movement, is there?

This thing makes no sense. Maybe some kind of neonazi eugenics freaks?


Three armed men in a coordinated attack?
This is not a crazy old loner like the guy who shot up planned parenthood, nor is it a columbine type attack. Its sounds like a professional terrorist attack following the Paris/Mumbai blue print.

Why attack disabled kids?

Why attack a Paris cafe? Or a rock concert? Or a Mumbai subway station?

It creates terror.

Might be North American locals recruited to ISIS via the net.



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02 Dec 2015, 7:41 pm

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This is most likely just criminal act done by some hateful Americans, who wanted to punish those who receive assistance.


Unlikely, unless the only people killed were the staff. A domestic terrorist would primarily go after those responsible for the things they dislike rather than the victims of such. They still see they're honorable in some way.

You need a pretty twisted ideology for a group of people to plan and attack the disabled, and said ideology sees them as the enemy.



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02 Dec 2015, 7:42 pm

*Easy access to weapons. Not enough weapons, actually. The victims were unarmed.
*No outlet for emotions. Not enough drugs, alcohol, porn, and sporting events.
*Society not funding mental health services? Bingo. Our laws don't stop enough crazy people.
*Society being hard on those who have disabilities? Where are their families?
*Society tearing men down for mental health issues? Women, too.
*Society over working everyone? 'Everyone' should have stayed in school, stayed out of trouble, earned a degree, and graduated instead of crying "It's not fair!" whenever they got a failing grade.
*Lots of people barely making ends meat? Maybe if they had stayed in school, stayed out of trouble, earned a degree, and graduated instead of crying "It's not fair!"
*People too stressed with no time to unwind. Take time off.
*People not getting the help they need. People not getting the privileges they want.
*People being hateful? Take away the special privileges enjoyed by religious institutions, and that will diminish the influence their hate-filled doctrines.
*Add in the fact that the U.S. population owns almost 50% of all the guns in the world? Only 50%? Stupid peaceniks. :roll:



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02 Dec 2015, 7:45 pm

Dillogic wrote:
xenocity wrote:
This is most likely just criminal act done by some hateful Americans, who wanted to punish those who receive assistance.


Unlikely, unless the only people killed were the staff. A domestic terrorist would primarily go after those responsible for the things they dislike rather than the victims of such. They still see they're honorable in some way.

You need a pretty twisted ideology for a group of people to plan and attack the disabled, and said ideology sees them as the enemy.

There are enough people in the U.S. who have such a negative view of the disabled, that would act on it in some fashion.
This isn't the first time an agency doing social services in this country has been attacked in the last 30 years, let alone one that aids the disabled.

As long as the disabled are viewed as a blight on society and using government money, there will be a significant amount of people opposed to their existence.


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02 Dec 2015, 7:46 pm

Fnord wrote:
In answer to gun-control freaks ...

Laws don't stop terrorists; bullets do.


In answer to the revenge freaks ...

Once they're stopped, bring them to justice.

Justice? How can you call that justice? You mean forcing all the country to pay so they can get 3 meals a day, free healthcare, and a better life quality (Edit: I mean criminals, not the disabled community)than every motherf****ng low-income citizens who work hard all the time yet get nothing?


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02 Dec 2015, 7:49 pm

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Seriously, WTF is wrong with people these days?
Religious ideology imposing a "Them versus Us" mindset on the people of the world.

Unchecked insanity. Round them up, medicate them, and lock them away from the rest of us.

Lack of personal initiative coupled with an inflated sense of entitlement.

Weak-willed politicians that permit extremism, both liberal and conservative, to take control of our Congress, Courts, and and Executive branches of government.



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02 Dec 2015, 7:52 pm

Looking at the picture of the dead shooter laying on the ground, it appears to be a woman



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02 Dec 2015, 7:54 pm

DailyPoutine1 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
In answer to gun-control freaks ...

Laws don't stop terrorists; bullets do.


In answer to the revenge freaks ...

Once they're stopped, bring them to justice.

Justice? How can you call that justice? You mean forcing all the country to pay so they can get 3 meals a day, free healthcare, and a better life quality (Edit: I mean criminals, not the disabled community)than every motherf****ng low-income citizens who work hard all the time yet get nothing?
No, by "Justice", I mean due process, not a lynch-mob mentality.

In other words, American justice, not the primitive, third-world mantra of making the punishment fit the crime.

Of course, if they receive the death penalty after trial-by-jury, then I won't stand in anyone's way ...



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02 Dec 2015, 8:03 pm

They're saying on the radio that the people at the party were government officials.


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02 Dec 2015, 8:04 pm

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On CBC in Canada they keep reporting that there was a sex education class there. As if disabled people are more likely to kill over such issues.


Could you post a link to that part of the story?

On the other hand, there is evidence that some of the victims were
attending a staff Christmas party or something like that.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/02/authorities-responding-to-reports-of-mass-shooting-in-san-bernardino-california-nbc-los-angeles.html

Ah. Apparently, the centre's own web site mentions that it provides
sex education--among other services--to persons with developmental
disabilities in much the same way that occupational therapists in Canada
could be expected to do so.



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02 Dec 2015, 8:07 pm

nurseangela wrote:
They're saying on the radio that the people at the party were government officials.


And yet, the hard right in American politics would say that being
a government official makes you fair game for any genuine patriot;
the idea would be to kill them first before they take away what
freedoms remain to you....