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21 May 2016, 1:28 am

the videos were edited (how they made the video) in such a way as to be defamatory. the charges may well stick.



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21 May 2016, 3:16 am

They released the entire unedited videos, the activists were indicted for using fake IDs and for trying to buy fetal body parts. Some DA wants to make a name for themselves and get some campaign cash, this probably gets dropped or thrown out.



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21 May 2016, 10:12 am

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21 May 2016, 12:20 pm

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They released the entire unedited videos, the activists were indicted for using fake IDs and for trying to buy fetal body parts. Some DA wants to make a name for themselves and get some campaign cash, this probably gets dropped or thrown out.



and planned parenthood was NOT indicted for selling baby parts, because it never happened. the video makers aren't very christian. they're ignoring "don't bear false witness against your neighbor."



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21 May 2016, 1:01 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
They released the entire unedited videos, the activists were indicted for using fake IDs and for trying to buy fetal body parts. Some DA wants to make a name for themselves and get some campaign cash, this probably gets dropped or thrown out.



and planned parenthood was NOT indicted for selling baby parts, because it never happened. the video makers aren't very christian. they're ignoring "don't bear false witness against your neighbor."

Watch the videos, what are they talking about? It doesn't debunk anything, they have the unedited videos posted if you want to sit thru the hours of watching them. You have to take in consideration that Planned Parenthood probably has among the most powerful legal teams in the country and a couple conservative activists obviously can't fight against that. The DA and Planned Parenthood were in regular contact, they told them what she wanted to hear. The case will get dropped or they'll plea to a misdemeanor for making a fake ID(who cares?), tapes still show what they show.



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21 May 2016, 1:45 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
They released the entire unedited videos, the activists were indicted for using fake IDs and for trying to buy fetal body parts. Some DA wants to make a name for themselves and get some campaign cash, this probably gets dropped or thrown out.



and planned parenthood was NOT indicted for selling baby parts, because it never happened. the video makers aren't very christian. they're ignoring "don't bear false witness against your neighbor."

Watch the videos, what are they talking about? It doesn't debunk anything, they have the unedited videos posted if you want to sit thru the hours of watching them. You have to take in consideration that Planned Parenthood probably has among the most powerful legal teams in the country and a couple conservative activists obviously can't fight against that. The DA and Planned Parenthood were in regular contact, they told them what she wanted to hear. The case will get dropped or they'll plea to a misdemeanor for making a fake ID(who cares?), tapes still show what they show.

The video makers organization has been investigated found out they used others people images and videos from overseas to make their videos decrying planned parenthood.

You can easily go to lesser developed countries and buy anything including fetuses.

Said video makers are being further investigated on whether or not they broke state and federal law.

If you know how to photoshop and video edit well, you can frame anyone for almost anything.


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21 May 2016, 1:49 pm

There is no evidence to suggest that, that's kind of like Bernie Sanders alleging widespread fraud and voter suppression is why is not the nominee. Grasping at straws, the activists weren't charged other than fake IDs and attempting buy fetal body parts which Planned Parenthood seem more than willing to oblige. Have you actually watched any of the videos or are you just sticking you fingers in your ears and shutting your eyes? Truth hurts I guess.



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21 May 2016, 1:54 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/abo ... 20d9184787
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/planned-par ... d-my-home/
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas ... 782865.php
https://www.buzzfeed.com/danvergano/man ... .ik5KEKmxz
http://time.com/4194226/planned-parenth ... en-felony/
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09/30/ ... fraud.html

The video makers are looking at 20 years or more due to them buying human organs and fetuses from the places they bought the fetuses from.
The video makers admitted they have never done business with Planned Parenthood and bought the fetuses from other medical sources who regularly break the law.
They won't reveal with medical places are breaking the law and selling human organs and fetuses.

The investigation is just heating up.


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21 May 2016, 2:03 pm

They won't see a day, trust me. Planned Parenthood could sue them in civil court for slander/libel/whatever but it doesn't seem they're doing that. The apparent "fraud" is that they didn't distinguish that one of the fetuses that screw around with on one of the videos was born stillborn but the accusation selling fetal body parts stays the same. Real stretch, really grasping at straws.

Progressives REALLY hate transparency it seems, they believe they are entitled to their secrets but you aren't with your own. Sting videos have been around for decades, it really only just infuriates the stupid people that get caught and those foolish enough to support them. Once you support something, it's pretty hard to reel it back in.



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21 May 2016, 2:12 pm

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They won't see a day, trust me. Planned Parenthood could sue them in civil court for slander/libel/whatever but it doesn't seem they're doing that. The apparent "fraud" is that they didn't distinguish that one of the fetuses that screw around with on one of the videos was born stillborn but the accusation selling fetal body parts stays the same. Real stretch, really grasping at straws.

Progressives REALLY hate transparency it seems, they believe they are entitled to their secrets but you aren't with your own. Sting videos have been around for decades, it really only just infuriates the stupid people that get caught and those foolish enough to support them. Once you support something, it's pretty hard to reel it back in.


This has nothing to do with political ideology, it has to do with extreme activists willing to break huge laws in order to get their way.


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21 May 2016, 2:19 pm

To expose a huge organization that receives millions in federal money breaking the law or doing something at the very least very offensive isn't a huge crime. A fake ID is not a huge crime, I'd say selling fetal body parts is probably a bigger crime. Their videos still show what they show, you can watch the unedited versions. Progressives really hate sting journalism, it's pretty funny. Saying the videos were photoshop really makes you sound half baked and unable to rationalize what you seeing and hearing so obviously it must all be fake!



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21 May 2016, 2:27 pm

There is literally no proof that Planned Parenthood broke any laws, despite Texas of states investigating them.

They have been investigated by practically every conservative state, with nothing ever happening.
I mean if Conservative Texas can't find dirt for an indictment, no one can.

Now do yourself a favor and quit using outlets owned by Rupert Murdoch and the Koch Brothers...


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21 May 2016, 2:39 pm

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There is literally no proof that Planned Parenthood broke any laws, despite Texas of states investigating them.

They have been investigated by practically every conservative state, with nothing ever happening.
I mean if Conservative Texas can't find dirt for an indictment, no one can.

Now do yourself a favor and quit using outlets owned by Rupert Murdoch and the Koch Brothers...


What outlets are those? I'll guarantee I read more and from a more varied source than you do so please try to play that dismissive stuff with me.

Like I said, the issue about Planned Parenthood was always to defund not to hold the stupid people they caught on this video tapes accountable. No one on Wall Street has gone to prison for what happened in 2008, does that mean nobody broke the law and that they're perfectly innocent? Some entities are too big to be held accountable, Planned Parenthood is one of those entities. That's why defunding is such a big issue, I know they do a lot of things for women's health and that's great but if they want federal funding then they should stop their abortion services. We can find someone else to fund that doesn't do it, why are we married to Planned Parenthood?



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21 May 2016, 2:58 pm

federal funds don't go toward abortion at planned parenthood already. there was ZERO selling of baby parts. the whole thing is a sneaky way to demonize planned parenthood and hurt women.



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21 May 2016, 3:14 pm

the only money PP officials were discussing was to cover shipping and handling costs. if they were doing something illegal, they would have been prosecuted. they're NOWHERE near as powerful as wall street. the evangelical right is also quite powerful, but not compared to wall street.



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21 May 2016, 3:24 pm

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federal funds don't go toward abortion at planned parenthood already. there was ZERO selling of baby parts. the whole thing is a sneaky way to demonize planned parenthood and hurt women.


Any funds that go to Planned Parenthood goes toward abortion because that's money they would have to spend on these other things otherwise if not paid for by the federal government so it's just an accounting trick to say they don't fund abortions. They do, absolutely, it's the same organization right? There isn't a separate entity that deals with abortion services right? Lets say we fund some other women's health organization that explicitly does not preform abortions, do you have a problem with that? Of course you do because its all about the easy access to abortion no matter what.