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29 Jan 2017, 7:46 pm

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I don't really think churches expect religious people to follow these rules; they expect them to break the rules and feel guilty. Guilt is their stock in trade, and superiority to those more guilty, of course.

The guiltier the congregation feels,the fuller the collection plate. :D


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29 Jan 2017, 7:53 pm

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Abortion should not be tolerated as means of birth control, it is murder and there are more than enough alternatives. I don't think it is unrealistic or asking to much for people male and female to take responsibility for the lives they create before and after they are born. There can be exceptions but it shouldn't be normalized.


Considering most abortions take place before the fetus even develops, and late term abortions are illegal outside of medical emergencies...how exactly is it murder? I am not suggesting using abortion alone as a birth control method, but if birth control methods fail and an unwanted pregnancy occurs abortion should be availible. I've even said I entirely agree with a limit on how long one can wait to get one...but don't really see how what amounts to a medically induced miscarriage is 'murder' when it occurs before the fetus develops into a baby, and based on anything I look up it seems most take place before the embryo even becomes a fetus.

Using birth control like condoms or the pill and getting an abortion if those fail is taking responsibility, before they irresponsibly bring a life into the world. Also sure it's easy for one who can't get pregnant to say 'you should just take responsibility and not get pregnant and if you don't want to be forced to have a baby.'....perhaps guys should take repsonsibility and always wear a condom and never tell girls 'I'll pull out, it'll be fine' and things like that.


I think men should be just as responsible for their children as women, I have no sympathy for deadbeats and think they should pay. I think the means birth control that we have work pretty good, I believe it should be accessible but at the same time promiscuity should not be encouraged which our culture drills into children's heads since a very young age. The sexualization of children in this country is a huge problem, too much it's drilled into people heads that reckless hedonism is real freedom. If everything still go wrong then to be honest, I think it's time to accept responsibility as that is an inherent risk.

50 million children killed since the radical Roe V Wade decision is nothing short of a genocide. I use partisan language sometimes but if you believe in further restrictions then I really don't think we're as far off as you might imagine.



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29 Jan 2017, 8:01 pm

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50 million children killed since the radical Roe V Wade decision is nothing short of a genocide.

A genocide that never was. You debase the word genocide when you use it so casually.



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29 Jan 2017, 8:14 pm

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though perhaps it is a little too generous.


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29 Jan 2017, 8:53 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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Abortion should not be tolerated as means of birth control, it is murder and there are more than enough alternatives. I don't think it is unrealistic or asking to much for people male and female to take responsibility for the lives they create before and after they are born. There can be exceptions but it shouldn't be normalized.


Considering most abortions take place before the fetus even develops, and late term abortions are illegal outside of medical emergencies...how exactly is it murder? I am not suggesting using abortion alone as a birth control method, but if birth control methods fail and an unwanted pregnancy occurs abortion should be availible. I've even said I entirely agree with a limit on how long one can wait to get one...but don't really see how what amounts to a medically induced miscarriage is 'murder' when it occurs before the fetus develops into a baby, and based on anything I look up it seems most take place before the embryo even becomes a fetus.

Using birth control like condoms or the pill and getting an abortion if those fail is taking responsibility, before they irresponsibly bring a life into the world. Also sure it's easy for one who can't get pregnant to say 'you should just take responsibility and not get pregnant and if you don't want to be forced to have a baby.'....perhaps guys should take repsonsibility and always wear a condom and never tell girls 'I'll pull out, it'll be fine' and things like that.


I think men should be just as responsible for their children as women, I have no sympathy for deadbeats and think they should pay. I think the means birth control that we have work pretty good, I believe it should be accessible but at the same time promiscuity should not be encouraged which our culture drills into children's heads since a very young age. The sexualization of children in this country is a huge problem, too much it's drilled into people heads that reckless hedonism is real freedom. If everything still go wrong then to be honest, I think it's time to accept responsibility as that is an inherent risk.

50 million children killed since the radical Roe V Wade decision is nothing short of a genocide. I use partisan language sometimes but if you believe in further restrictions then I really don't think we're as far off as you might imagine.

What does any of this have to do with promimiscuity? I really don't think I am being overly promiscuous if I have sex with my boyfriend...and since we have decided it is best not to have children, the responsible thing to do if our birth control failed would be to get an abortion asap. Also embroys and fetus's that haven't developed into babies yet are hardly 'children'.


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29 Jan 2017, 9:38 pm

androbot01 wrote:
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50 million children killed since the radical Roe V Wade decision is nothing short of a genocide.

A genocide that never was. You debase the word genocide when you use it so casually.


Kind of like how some people debase the word bully by using it too casually...


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29 Jan 2017, 9:39 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Jacoby wrote:
Abortion should not be tolerated as means of birth control, it is murder and there are more than enough alternatives. I don't think it is unrealistic or asking to much for people male and female to take responsibility for the lives they create before and after they are born. There can be exceptions but it shouldn't be normalized.


Considering most abortions take place before the fetus even develops, and late term abortions are illegal outside of medical emergencies...how exactly is it murder? I am not suggesting using abortion alone as a birth control method, but if birth control methods fail and an unwanted pregnancy occurs abortion should be availible. I've even said I entirely agree with a limit on how long one can wait to get one...but don't really see how what amounts to a medically induced miscarriage is 'murder' when it occurs before the fetus develops into a baby, and based on anything I look up it seems most take place before the embryo even becomes a fetus.

Using birth control like condoms or the pill and getting an abortion if those fail is taking responsibility, before they irresponsibly bring a life into the world. Also sure it's easy for one who can't get pregnant to say 'you should just take responsibility and not get pregnant and if you don't want to be forced to have a baby.'....perhaps guys should take repsonsibility and always wear a condom and never tell girls 'I'll pull out, it'll be fine' and things like that.


I think men should be just as responsible for their children as women, I have no sympathy for deadbeats and think they should pay. I think the means birth control that we have work pretty good, I believe it should be accessible but at the same time promiscuity should not be encouraged which our culture drills into children's heads since a very young age. The sexualization of children in this country is a huge problem, too much it's drilled into people heads that reckless hedonism is real freedom. If everything still go wrong then to be honest, I think it's time to accept responsibility as that is an inherent risk.

50 million children killed since the radical Roe V Wade decision is nothing short of a genocide. I use partisan language sometimes but if you believe in further restrictions then I really don't think we're as far off as you might imagine.

What does any of this have to do with promimiscuity? I really don't think I am being overly promiscuous if I have sex with my boyfriend...and since we have decided it is best not to have children, the responsible thing to do if our birth control failed would be to get an abortion asap. Also embroys and fetus's that haven't developed into babies yet are hardly 'children'.


So double up on the contraceptives.


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29 Jan 2017, 10:01 pm

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What does any of this have to do with promimiscuity? I really don't think I am being overly promiscuous if I have sex with my boyfriend...and since we have decided it is best not to have children, the responsible thing to do if our birth control failed would be to get an abortion asap. Also embroys and fetus's that haven't developed into babies yet are hardly 'children'.



If the necessary precautions are taken then you probably won't get pregnant, I do not believe in abortion as birth control and think when a life has been created it should be protected. I hope you are never in that situation where you make that decision.



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29 Jan 2017, 10:26 pm

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50 million children killed since the radical Roe V Wade decision is nothing short of a genocide.

What's your source?



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29 Jan 2017, 10:57 pm

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50 million children killed since the radical Roe V Wade decision is nothing short of a genocide.

What's your source?


apparently closer to 60 million now, there about a million abortions a year

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/01/14/5858 ... e-in-1973/

http://www.politifact.com/texas/stateme ... n-abortio/

there are over a million abortions a year in the US



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30 Jan 2017, 8:31 am

"Abortion" now includes the pill and IUDs, since they both allow the egg to be fertilized. The theory is consistent, at least.


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30 Jan 2017, 8:44 am

Raptor wrote:
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50 million children killed since the radical Roe V Wade decision is nothing short of a genocide.

A genocide that never was. You debase the word genocide when you use it so casually.


Kind of like how some people debase the word bully by using it too casually...

I'm not sure I get your point; it's pretty hard to take any societal arguments against bullying seriously when your country just elected the biggest bully ever.



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30 Jan 2017, 8:50 am

And no one responded to my question about the right's agreed on definition of the word bullying.


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30 Jan 2017, 2:51 pm

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So double up on the contraceptives.


The point is should the contraceptives fail, the responsible thing for a couple who has decided not to have children...is to get an abortion asap. There is no 100% contraceptive method, there is always a chance it can fail and an abortion will be needed. Also not sure you even understand how contraceptives work with your 'just double them up' comment.

Why do are you so hellbent on ensuring unwanted pregnancies go to term, you looking to adopt or pay for unwanted kids?


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What does any of this have to do with promimiscuity? I really don't think I am being overly promiscuous if I have sex with my boyfriend...and since we have decided it is best not to have children, the responsible thing to do if our birth control failed would be to get an abortion asap. Also embroys and fetus's that haven't developed into babies yet are hardly 'children'.



If the necessary precautions are taken then you probably won't get pregnant, I do not believe in abortion as birth control and think when a life has been created it should be protected. I hope you are never in that situation where you make that decision.


'probably' being the key word there....which is why access to abortion is necessary should those precautions fail. Also I understand protecting already living life...but is a clump of cells really more valuble than an already living breathing person? To the extent that clump of cells should have priority over the person its growing inside of?

Most abortions take place during the embryonic stage before its even a fetus and there are limits in most states on how long you can wait to have one outside medical emergencies. The idea is to terminate the pregnancy before the clump of cells becomes a baby so you're not killing someone. Yes its a 'life' the sperm that fertilize the egg are technically alive...is it murder when those are killed instead of being allowed to reach said 'egg'? Also every month my uterus kills a life on my period, the unfertilized egg is alive(even if only for 12-24 hours) and it dies when its not allowed to be fertilized. I don't agree with abortion once the 'life' is deemed a person or animal, but that doesn't occur during the time between the fertilization of the egg and its development into a fetus, its not till after its become a fetus and is defined a 'baby'.


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30 Jan 2017, 3:10 pm

I honestly feel if the government made sure sex education was better in all schools plus made condoms, birth control (and so on) cheaper- abortions would go down quite a bit. Planned Parenthood shouldn't get defunded because of ignorant people that have NO CLUE what the company even does.

The world is overpopulated enough! If people want to have abortions- that should be their right, period. But this isn't just an overpopulation issue- it's a CHOICE issue. People should have the choice, and have a safe choice from a regular doctor.. not one that might botch the abortion! If people don't want to like abortion- that's their choice too. But the manner in which they do it.. is quite immature at times. Why must people think their views are the only right ones? Let's be realistic here- abortion will always be a big debate topic. However I think if people mind their own business and let people do what THEY want instead of forcing views onto others so much, there would be a few less issues on the matter.

Sadly the government loves to just be controlling and think they have to decide everything for everyone.