UK is introducing a new soft drink tax.

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07 Apr 2018, 6:05 pm

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I understand what you mean, but in baking liquid measurements are different than dry. (At least with Imperial measurements). That’s why a cook will have two sets of measuring cups. My glass liquid 1 cup holds more than my dry 1 cups. It’s not much but my dry one cup holds 240 ml, my wet 250. Metric is more precise than Imperial.

I just mentioned the concentrate as to me, it seemed like Ezra might think the juice was being diluted rather than being returned to its more natural state.


It seemed like Goldfish21 was saying the juice content from an apple or orange has to be concentrated to equal a cup. But I believe he's thinking along the lines of fruit being ineffectively squeezed rather than it being pureed.



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07 Apr 2018, 6:13 pm

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You're ignoring my post where I pointed out that it takes 8 apples & oranges to make one 16 fluid ounce glass of juice, so there's a big difference between eating 2 cups of whole fruit (2 apples, or 1 apple and 1 orange) and drinking 2 cups of fruit juice.


So you're saying the average apple is the same volume as one cup, but it takes 4 apples to make a cup of apple juice. So does that mean 3/4 of an apple is not liquid?


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Another government tactic, which was deployed here before the 2010 Winter Olympics, is to offer tax deductions for exercise classes/gym memberships etc. The objective of our government was to get people to get in better shape so we'd look better to the rest of the world when they showed up to party and saw our crowds on TV.

IMO, those sorts of tax credits should be permanent and should apply to all citizens regardless of age (there were special tax breaks for school aged dependants getting fitter etc) as it's good for not only the health and fitness industries, but productivity in general, as well as reduced healthcare costs. I've seen a video our of Russia where if you do x number of squats in front of a camera sensor you get a free train/public transportation fare ticket. Governments can do more to incentivize health & fitness besides just taxing unhealthy junk foods.


Exercising in front of a camera for the government reminds me of:



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07 Apr 2018, 6:28 pm

Yes, that's exactly it. An apple is approximately 1/4 the density of water. Have you ever put an apple through a juicer and seen the volume of apple juice extracted vs. pulp & peel? A ~1 cup apple does not yield anywhere near 1 cup of apple juice. If it did, that would mean there was no pulp/fruit, peel, core, seeds or stem. Whether you put it through a juicer that turns it into juice & pulp or use a press style juicer that squeezes apples flat, the juice yield is nowhere near 100% of it's solid state fruit form volume. It takes a lot of fruits/veggies to yield a 2 cups of juice. According to google, on average (depending on the size of the apple species) it takes 4 apples to produce 8 fluid ounces of apple juice.


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07 Apr 2018, 6:48 pm

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Yes, that's exactly it. An apple is approximately 1/4 the density of water. Have you ever put an apple through a juicer and seen the volume of apple juice extracted vs. pulp & peel? A ~1 cup apple does not yield anywhere near 1 cup of apple juice. If it did, that would mean there was no pulp/fruit, peel, core, seeds or stem. Whether you put it through a juicer that turns it into juice & pulp or use a press style juicer that squeezes apples flat, the juice yield is nowhere near 100% of it's solid state fruit form volume. It takes a lot of fruits/veggies to yield a 2 cups of juice. According to google, on average (depending on the size of the apple species) it takes 4 apples to produce 8 fluid ounces of apple juice.


I'm watching juicing videos and it looks to me like 2 apples yield a lot of juice. This is the juice from 2 apples not including the peel or core:

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07 Apr 2018, 8:05 pm

how times have changed:

1988 australian sugar ad



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07 Apr 2018, 8:10 pm

How many ounces do you approximate that that glass in the image is?

That glass is not particularly wide (maybe 2-2.5") & approximately 5" tall. It's also a woman's hand, which is smaller than mine, for scale reference. As a bartender & doing basic volumetric math, I would guess that the glass may have about a 6 fluid ounce capacity and that there's 4-5 fluid ounces of juice in it.. which supports the google result of, on average, 4 apples (depending on size and type) to produce a cup of apple juice.


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07 Apr 2018, 8:12 pm

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how times have changed:

1988 australian sugar ad


That was interesting. I've never ever seen an advertisement for sugar before. We have ads like that here for dairy products & beef, which makes sense since we produce them and don't have sugarcane plantations. I'm guessing Austrlia has a domestic sugar industry and that's why they would have ads like that?


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07 Apr 2018, 10:58 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
How many ounces do you approximate that that glass in the image is?

That glass is not particularly wide (maybe 2-2.5") & approximately 5" tall. It's also a woman's hand, which is smaller than mine, for scale reference. As a bartender & doing basic volumetric math, I would guess that the glass may have about a 6 fluid ounce capacity and that there's 4-5 fluid ounces of juice in it.. which supports the google result of, on average, 4 apples (depending on size and type) to produce a cup of apple juice.


Like I said earlier, packaged 100% fruit juice also contains added water. And the person in the video talked about diluting what she made with water. The juice it that glass is thicker than what is found in a store bought bottle of 100% apple juice.



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07 Apr 2018, 11:26 pm

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Cigarettes are possible to quit. Many people do it. But it's probably harder than quitting sugar or alcohol.

"Probably harder"? As I said, they're near impossible to quit.

I have family and friends who have tried many times to quit, and if anything, they only wind up addicted to other forms of nicotine. Some of them vape now, which only allows them to consume much more nicotine, much more quickly, and at a slightly lower cost.


...sorry, I'll let you guys get back to discussing juice volume =) BTW, also whole fruit benefits you more than juice, as it's less processed and has much more fiber.

But without juice, we couldn't make WINE.


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07 Apr 2018, 11:41 pm

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Cigarettes are possible to quit. Many people do it. But it's probably harder than quitting sugar or alcohol.

"Probably harder"? As I said, they're near impossible to quit.

I have family and friends who have tried many times to quit, and if anything, they only wind up addicted to other forms of nicotine. Some of them vape now, which only allows them to consume much more nicotine, much more quickly, and at a slightly lower cost.


...sorry, I'll let you guys get back to discussing juice volume =) BTW, also whole fruit benefits you more than juice, as it's less processed and has much more fiber.

But without juice, we couldn't make WINE.


"Near impossible," is hyperbole. There are MANY ex-smokers.


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07 Apr 2018, 11:44 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
b9 wrote:
how times have changed:

1988 australian sugar ad


That was interesting. I've never ever seen an advertisement for sugar before. We have ads like that here for dairy products & beef, which makes sense since we produce them and don't have sugarcane plantations. I'm guessing Austrlia has a domestic sugar industry and that's why they would have ads like that?


yes we have a huge sugar cane industry.
you can drive for a hundred miles on roads with cane fields on both sides.

australia uses sugar cane sugar, and i think north america (which includes canada for the uninformed) uses sugar beets or fructose as sugar (corn syrups and the like)
our sugar is mainly sucrose.



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08 Apr 2018, 12:13 am

Obesity isn't caused by sugar consumption. I go to a nearby convenience store regularly to grab a can of my favorite (sugar free) beverage and often see thin people buying 1 or 2 large bottles of some sugary beverage.

What causes obesity is consuming too many calories. This was demonstrated by a nutrition professor who lost 27 pounds in 10 weeks on a Twinkie diet.

Twinkie diet helps nutrition professor lose 27 pounds



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08 Apr 2018, 12:45 am

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goldfish21 wrote:
b9 wrote:
how times have changed:

1988 australian sugar ad


That was interesting. I've never ever seen an advertisement for sugar before. We have ads like that here for dairy products & beef, which makes sense since we produce them and don't have sugarcane plantations. I'm guessing Austrlia has a domestic sugar industry and that's why they would have ads like that?


yes we have a huge sugar cane industry.
you can drive for a hundred miles on roads with cane fields on both sides.

australia uses sugar cane sugar, and i think north america (which includes canada for the uninformed) uses sugar beets or fructose as sugar (corn syrups and the like)
our sugar is mainly sucrose.


Makes sense.

Sounds like Australia has sugarcane fields like the prairie provinces have wheat or rape. I think Alberta no longer calls themselves the "rape capital of the world," because most people don't think of rapeseed. (where canola oil comes from.)

Our regular sugar here in the household is probably GMO sugar beets, but for how often I actually use sugar as an ingredient in anything I bought a small bag of demerara (cane) sugar.


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08 Apr 2018, 1:27 am

Ahh yes, the "hello sunshine" ads...the sugar industry foray into trying to market sucrose based refined sugar as some type of natural health food

This reminds me of the Australian dairy industry sponsoring chef Peter Russell-Clark to promote the taste benefits of butter to offset the growth in the margarine industry despite margarine being a healthier option to reduce heart disease



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08 Apr 2018, 4:41 am

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Ahh yes, the "hello sunshine" ads...the sugar industry foray into trying to market sucrose based refined sugar as some type of natural health food

This reminds me of the Australian dairy industry sponsoring chef Peter Russell-Clark to promote the taste benefits of butter to offset the growth in the margarine industry despite margarine being a healthier option to reduce heart disease


yeah i kind of remember those ads.



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08 Apr 2018, 4:46 am

just for curiosity's sake (mods will probably delete this shortly)
here are some bloopers he made in takes of his shows.