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04 Dec 2018, 12:59 am

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Trump's ghost writer (that is, the guy who actually wrote The Art Of The Deal) thinks Trump will try to get out of his Mueller troubles by saying he had accomplished everything in his first term, and not run for a second.


How would that get him out of trouble?


Not get him into trouble, but a response to being in trouble.


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04 Dec 2018, 2:22 am

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It's kind of funny to me how leaks are talked about as if this was a top secret investigation, instead of one the whole world knows all about.

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754


What do you imagine this proves one way or another?


It seems to me an indication that the investigation will produce no actual results that will lead to Trump being indicted for collusion or lead to grounds for impeachment proceedings.


Note that the investigation is into the Trump campaign, not into Trump himself. It has already produced actual results.


The result many have been hoping for and expecting is Trump being indicted and or impeached.


Many hope that, but that isn't what the investigation is about.



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04 Dec 2018, 2:30 am

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Trump's ghost writer (that is, the guy who actually wrote The Art Of The Deal) thinks Trump will try to get out of his Mueller troubles by saying he had accomplished everything in his first term, and not run for a second.


How would that get him out of trouble?


Not get him into trouble, but a response to being in trouble.


oic. Seems really the whole ball of wax with the special investigation being initiated and all the negative press, is to try preventing a second term one way or another. That's why I have doubts that trump will ever actually be changed with anything. And there's still a couple more years they need to drag it out if that's the case.



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04 Dec 2018, 2:36 am

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Trump's ghost writer (that is, the guy who actually wrote The Art Of The Deal) thinks Trump will try to get out of his Mueller troubles by saying he had accomplished everything in his first term, and not run for a second.


How would that get him out of trouble?


Not get him into trouble, but a response to being in trouble.


oic. Seems really the whole ball of wax with the special investigation being initiated and all the negative press, is to try preventing a second term one way or another. That's why I have doubts that trump will ever actually be changed with anything. And there's still a couple more years they need to drag it out if that's the case.


I'm sorry, but I simply do not believe that the Mueller investigation is only about keeping Trump a one term President. How else can the indictments and convictions be explained if there was nothing more to it than a political grudge?


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04 Dec 2018, 2:40 am

kokopelli wrote:
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kokopelli wrote:
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It's kind of funny to me how leaks are talked about as if this was a top secret investigation, instead of one the whole world knows all about.

kokopelli wrote:
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754


What do you imagine this proves one way or another?


It seems to me an indication that the investigation will produce no actual results that will lead to Trump being indicted for collusion or lead to grounds for impeachment proceedings.


Note that the investigation is into the Trump campaign, not into Trump himself. It has already produced actual results.


The result many have been hoping for and expecting is Trump being indicted and or impeached.


Many hope that, but that isn't what the investigation is about.


I've been hearing the whole idea is to get the little fish to squeal on the big fish.



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04 Dec 2018, 11:50 am

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Trump hasn't stopped the witch hunt because it IS a witch hunt. When he is found innocent, the liberals will probably investigate Mueller and the rest of his team and his limo driver and his mother and his father and his dentist and his barber and his...

If it is a witch hunt Trump will not be found innocent.


witch hunt noun 2: the searching out and deliberate harassment of those (such as political opponents) with unpopular views. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/witch%20hunt


A witch hunt is legit if it uncovers real witches.


There's no good spin one can put on a witch hunt, either in the historical context or in the contemporary context. They by their very nature are not legit, which is the whole point of the phrase these days.


Or to speak more plainly: it's not a witch hunt if wrong doing is uncovered. So far, Trump's henchmen are being indicted and convicted right and left. And if Trump is so innocent, why is he sweating bullets?


Nothing to do with Russian collusion. If they had any evidence it would have been used before the election to stop Trump getting elected. It's an utter farce. Mueller should be investigated for his role in the Iraq war and would be in a just world. He's compromised and that's why he's carrying out this joke of an investigation.


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04 Dec 2018, 11:52 am

kokopelli wrote:
EzraS wrote:
It's kind of funny to me how leaks are talked about as if this was a top secret investigation, instead of one the whole world knows all about.

kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754


What do you imagine this proves one way or another?


It seems to me an indication that the investigation will produce no actual results that will lead to Trump being indicted for collusion or lead to grounds for impeachment proceedings.


Note that the investigation is into the Trump campaign, not into Trump himself. It has already produced actual results.


It has produced zero evidence of 'collusion'.


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04 Dec 2018, 11:57 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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Trump's ghost writer (that is, the guy who actually wrote The Art Of The Deal) thinks Trump will try to get out of his Mueller troubles by saying he had accomplished everything in his first term, and not run for a second.


How would that get him out of trouble?


Not get him into trouble, but a response to being in trouble.


oic. Seems really the whole ball of wax with the special investigation being initiated and all the negative press, is to try preventing a second term one way or another. That's why I have doubts that trump will ever actually be changed with anything. And there's still a couple more years they need to drag it out if that's the case.


I'm sorry, but I simply do not believe that the Mueller investigation is only about keeping Trump a one term President. How else can the indictments and convictions be explained if there was nothing more to it than a political grudge?


Cause they have nothing to do with 'collusion'. Hillary and Co have already been caught out saying that the insurance policy was to blame it on Russia.


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04 Dec 2018, 12:50 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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Trump's ghost writer (that is, the guy who actually wrote The Art Of The Deal) thinks Trump will try to get out of his Mueller troubles by saying he had accomplished everything in his first term, and not run for a second.


How would that get him out of trouble?


Not get him into trouble, but a response to being in trouble.


oic. Seems really the whole ball of wax with the special investigation being initiated and all the negative press, is to try preventing a second term one way or another. That's why I have doubts that trump will ever actually be changed with anything. And there's still a couple more years they need to drag it out if that's the case.


I'm sorry, but I simply do not believe that the Mueller investigation is only about keeping Trump a one term President. How else can the indictments and convictions be explained if there was nothing more to it than a political grudge?


Well it's just loose speculation of course. The thing is though, the indictments have nothing to do with what the probe is supposed to be uncovering. They are in addition to, rather than being a part of. They're not a part of the main course, they're side dishes.

I do believe there are those who would put forth tremendous efforts in making Trump's time as president as short as possible, either though trying to pin something on him that would get him out during his first term, or hopefully prevent him from gaining a second term. I mean considering all the worry of him launching nukes, destroying the environment etc, sheer desperation is to be expected.



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04 Dec 2018, 12:55 pm

It's to stop the US having a closer relationship with Russia. Peace isn't an option for the MIC.


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04 Dec 2018, 12:55 pm

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Cause they have nothing to do with 'collusion'.


Funny that no matter how many times that's pointed out, it never seems to register.

But then again I've heard the reason why they were charged with crimes B instead of A, is for leverage to get them to rat out the big fish so that he can be charged with crime A.



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04 Dec 2018, 2:22 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Heat844 wrote:
Trump hasn't stopped the witch hunt because it IS a witch hunt. When he is found innocent, the liberals will probably investigate Mueller and the rest of his team and his limo driver and his mother and his father and his dentist and his barber and his...

If it is a witch hunt Trump will not be found innocent.


witch hunt noun 2: the searching out and deliberate harassment of those (such as political opponents) with unpopular views. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/witch%20hunt


A witch hunt is legit if it uncovers real witches.


There's no good spin one can put on a witch hunt, either in the historical context or in the contemporary context. They by their very nature are not legit, which is the whole point of the phrase these days.


Or to speak more plainly: it's not a witch hunt if wrong doing is uncovered. So far, Trump's henchmen are being indicted and convicted right and left. And if Trump is so innocent, why is he sweating bullets?


Nothing to do with Russian collusion. If they had any evidence it would have been used before the election to stop Trump getting elected. It's an utter farce. Mueller should be investigated for his role in the Iraq war and would be in a just world. He's compromised and that's why he's carrying out this joke of an investigation.


Mueller is squeezing the little fish to turn over on the big orange whale.
Comey saw evidence of collussion, but feared accusations of favoring Clinton who he thought would be a shoo in for the Presidency.
How is Mueller compromised, and how is that relevant to his investigation?


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04 Dec 2018, 2:25 pm

EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
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Trump's ghost writer (that is, the guy who actually wrote The Art Of The Deal) thinks Trump will try to get out of his Mueller troubles by saying he had accomplished everything in his first term, and not run for a second.


How would that get him out of trouble?


Not get him into trouble, but a response to being in trouble.


oic. Seems really the whole ball of wax with the special investigation being initiated and all the negative press, is to try preventing a second term one way or another. That's why I have doubts that trump will ever actually be changed with anything. And there's still a couple more years they need to drag it out if that's the case.


I'm sorry, but I simply do not believe that the Mueller investigation is only about keeping Trump a one term President. How else can the indictments and convictions be explained if there was nothing more to it than a political grudge?


Well it's just loose speculation of course. The thing is though, the indictments have nothing to do with what the probe is supposed to be uncovering. They are in addition to, rather than being a part of. They're not a part of the main course, they're side dishes.

I do believe there are those who would put forth tremendous efforts in making Trump's time as president as short as possible, either though trying to pin something on him that would get him out during his first term, or hopefully prevent him from gaining a second term. I mean considering all the worry of him launching nukes, destroying the environment etc, sheer desperation is to be expected.


Investigating Trump hardly means it's just a means to limiting Trump to a single term.
Those indictments are meant to get Trump's corrupt henchmen to turn on him.


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04 Dec 2018, 3:46 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
EzraS wrote:
It's kind of funny to me how leaks are talked about as if this was a top secret investigation, instead of one the whole world knows all about.

kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754


What do you imagine this proves one way or another?


It seems to me an indication that the investigation will produce no actual results that will lead to Trump being indicted for collusion or lead to grounds for impeachment proceedings.


Note that the investigation is into the Trump campaign, not into Trump himself. It has already produced actual results.


It has produced zero evidence of 'collusion'.


Mueller was appointed to investigate links or coordination between the Russians and any members of the Trump campaign. It found a number of such links and there may be more to come.

That's not to say that every link has been prosecuted. Manafort, for example, offered to provide private briefings to the Russians about the Trump campaign but hasn't been prosecuted for that.



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04 Dec 2018, 10:34 pm

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Investigating Trump hardly means it's just a means to limiting Trump to a single term.
Those indictments are meant to get Trump's corrupt henchmen to turn on him.


No it's certainly not limited to that. But if that doesn't work out, then it plus who knows what else will probably be used to keep trump from being reelected.



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04 Dec 2018, 11:42 pm

EzraS wrote:
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Investigating Trump hardly means it's just a means to limiting Trump to a single term.
Those indictments are meant to get Trump's corrupt henchmen to turn on him.


No it's certainly not limited to that. But if that doesn't work out, then it plus who knows what else will probably be used to keep trump from being reelected.


Bill Clinton had little problem getting reelected despite the investigation hounding him.


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