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30 Jan 2019, 5:17 pm

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Well do some Googling, I'm at work so I can't dig around for data but I know it's a huge project with tons of datasets. There's a hardware installation using 3 or 4 projectors on a spherical screen at NIST, using a bunch of National Center for Atmospheric Research data. We can compute literally anything that happens on this planet.


When someone has a point to make, they are not making it by saying things like Google is your friend, do your own research etc.



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30 Jan 2019, 5:22 pm

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There are two schools of thought in the climate change debates that have taken place on WP. Those who are saying that the world is coming to an end in short order and those who are saying it's not that bad. The OP belongs to the former school of thought. I tend to discuss the overall consensus of the general public at large and school A vs school B in matters like this, rather than address people on an individual personal level.


Apparently there are at least three schools of thought in the climate change debate because I don't fit in either of those categories: I think it's a serious problem and that each of us has a responsibility to be conscious of it and try to make different choices in our lives where we can (we're going to be limited by where we live and what personal resources we have, so it will vary from person to person what changes they can make), but I don't think there's a climate apocalypse pending so immediately, I think we're going to start seeing real irreversible changes a little farther down the road (my own admittedly under-educated opinion-guesstimate is more like 50-75 years down the road) but I think even then we will still have the ability (and likely by then better technology) to address the problem by changing the way we live and how we consume. I'm not a catastrophist when it comes to climate change, but at the same time I acknowledge that it's critical issue we need as a planet to address with serious attention (and some innovation--but we're good at that, as a species, so I have hope).



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30 Jan 2019, 5:26 pm

EzraS wrote:
cberg wrote:
Well do some Googling, I'm at work so I can't dig around for data but I know it's a huge project with tons of datasets. There's a hardware installation using 3 or 4 projectors on a spherical screen at NIST, using a bunch of National Center for Atmospheric Research data. We can compute literally anything that happens on this planet.


When someone has a point to make, they are not making it by saying things like Google is your friend, do your own research etc.


My point is that you're choosing not to back up your opinions here with anything anecdotal. I get paid to process geospatial data but I don't work for you. If you want to enjoy the content of these questions, we have machines for that. If you want to whine that my suggestions for homework are too rigorous, I'm not your guy.

You either care about future generations or you don't. No middle ground there.


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30 Jan 2019, 5:46 pm

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EzraS wrote:
There are two schools of thought in the climate change debates that have taken place on WP. Those who are saying that the world is coming to an end in short order and those who are saying it's not that bad. The OP belongs to the former school of thought. I tend to discuss the overall consensus of the general public at large and school A vs school B in matters like this, rather than address people on an individual personal level.


Apparently there are at least three schools of thought in the climate change debate because I don't fit in either of those categories: I think it's a serious problem and that each of us has a responsibility to be conscious of it and try to make different choices in our lives where we can (we're going to be limited by where we live and what personal resources we have, so it will vary from person to person what changes they can make), but I don't think there's a climate apocalypse pending so immediately, I think we're going to start seeing real irreversible changes a little farther down the road (my own admittedly under-educated opinion-guesstimate is more like 50-75 years down the road) but I think even then we will still have the ability (and likely by then better technology) to address the problem by changing the way we live and how we consume. I'm not a catastrophist when it comes to climate change, but at the same time I acknowledge that it's critical issue we need as a planet to address with serious attention (and some innovation--but we're good at that, as a species, so I have hope).


That all sounds perfectly reasonable. But a lot of what I come across doesn't sound reasonable. A lot of people who get labeled as climate change deniers are actually imminent climate catastrophe deniers. Many of us aren't arguing against the existence of climate change, but rather what appear to be highly exaggerated conclusions. It comes off as alarmist talk and or scare tactics. A lot of it on that end appears politically motivated. People have basically come out and said that if a certain political party remains in existence, the earth is doomed in a very short period of time.



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30 Jan 2019, 5:54 pm

cberg wrote:
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cberg wrote:
Well do some Googling, I'm at work so I can't dig around for data but I know it's a huge project with tons of datasets. There's a hardware installation using 3 or 4 projectors on a spherical screen at NIST, using a bunch of National Center for Atmospheric Research data. We can compute literally anything that happens on this planet.


When someone has a point to make, they are not making it by saying things like Google is your friend, do your own research etc.


My point is that you're choosing not to back up your opinions here with anything anecdotal. I get paid to process geospatial data but I don't work for you. If you want to enjoy the content of these questions, we have machines for that. If you want to whine that my suggestions for homework are too rigorous, I'm not your guy.

You either care about future generations or you don't. No middle ground there.


In other words you're copping out.



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30 Jan 2019, 5:57 pm

Excuse me, will you do my job for me while I click around for you? Clicking is not so difficult.

The problem is not a political party, it's reckless behavior masquerading as political statements. That's why diesel truck owners make their trucks worse in order to spew fumes. People think if they're edgy enough, their actions will contribute to individual freedoms when all they're doing is choking themselves.


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30 Jan 2019, 6:00 pm

https://sos.noaa.gov/datasets/water-vapor-real-time/

https://sos.noaa.gov/datasets/carbon-flux/

There, I had time to find you these without actually having any spare time. There are probably thousands, it's a major computing project that's in no way hard to find or access.


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30 Jan 2019, 6:12 pm

cberg wrote:
Excuse me, will you do my job for me while I click around for you? Clicking is not so difficult.


You're not the only one who has other things to do.

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The problem is not a political party, it's reckless behavior masquerading as political statements. That's why diesel truck owners make their trucks worse in order to spew fumes. People think if they're edgy enough, their actions will contribute to individual freedoms when all they're doing is choking themselves.


Yeah okay.



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30 Jan 2019, 6:18 pm

Well I don't intend to get fired over WP when I was hired with full knowledge of my ASD. :lol:

As I said I agree with your criticism of sensationalism regarding science reporting, I just don't think it diminishes the importance of the science.


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30 Jan 2019, 6:19 pm

cberg wrote:
https://sos.noaa.gov/datasets/water-vapor-real-time/

https://sos.noaa.gov/datasets/carbon-flux/

There, I had time to find you these without actually having any spare time. There are probably thousands, it's a major computing project that's in no way hard to find or access.


So you're saying that it's all very simplistic.



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30 Jan 2019, 6:22 pm

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Well I don't intend to get fired over WP when I was hired with full knowledge of my ASD. :lol:

As I said I agree with your criticism of sensationalism regarding science reporting, I just don't think it diminishes the importance of the science.


If you shouldn't be doing this at work, maybe you should wait until you get home. This isn't a live chat line after all.



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30 Jan 2019, 6:29 pm

EzraS wrote:
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Well I don't intend to get fired over WP when I was hired with full knowledge of my ASD. :lol:

As I said I agree with your criticism of sensationalism regarding science reporting, I just don't think it diminishes the importance of the science.


If you shouldn't be doing this at work, maybe you should wait until you get home. This isn't a live chat line after all.


I agree , Cberg! don't risk your job dude.


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30 Jan 2019, 8:23 pm

I have a lot of processing times when I'm free, so I visit you guys instead of haplessly emailing & asking everyone what else I could do.

I'm pretty speedy at my job because I used to do a similar one at Microsoft. I'm not terribly worried right now as I'm up to speed with both bosses I have a review with tomorrow.

Back on topic, I suppose Ezra knows but for reference, my job involves satellite data & image processing in 3D models, so I'm decently versed in the smorgasbord of technology we can analyze this question with.


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30 Jan 2019, 8:25 pm

EzraS wrote:
cberg wrote:
https://sos.noaa.gov/datasets/water-vapor-real-time/

https://sos.noaa.gov/datasets/carbon-flux/

There, I had time to find you these without actually having any spare time. There are probably thousands, it's a major computing project that's in no way hard to find or access.


So you're saying that it's all very simplistic.


It is to look at.


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30 Jan 2019, 8:30 pm

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I'm pretty speedy at my job because I used to do a similar one at Microsoft. I'm not terribly worried right now as I'm up to speed with both bosses I have a review with tomorrow.


Keep up the good work dude.


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30 Jan 2019, 8:38 pm

Let me know if you need some industrial grade survey equipment.


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