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05 Sep 2019, 12:52 pm

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I think the adversarial party system in the UK is sh*t. It was "party before country" that got us into this mess.


Amen to that.

It'll never change though.



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05 Sep 2019, 12:55 pm

The hapless Nick Clegg tried to bring in PR when he was in coalition government... he was done up like a kipper (and I don't mean a Ukipper).


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05 Sep 2019, 2:26 pm

Trueno wrote:
I think the adversarial party system in the UK is sh*t. It was "party before country" that got us into this mess.
the adversarial system in the US is as you likely know pretty horrible too.matter of fact the whole world is doing bad politically right now.But the US is up s**ts creek with Trump as a padler which is worse than without a paddle.and the UK is not much better.

We have some 20 odd presidential canidates and none of them are good,more members of the house are resigning or not running in 2020.the democratic majority house cant get along with each other.The rebuplicans majority cant get anything done even with a republican president.the president is golfing while a hurricane is coming,sometimes democracy just does not work.Not that the alternative is better though


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05 Sep 2019, 3:33 pm

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I think the adversarial party system in the UK is sh*t. It was "party before country" that got us into this mess.


The public obviously had the appetite to leave the EU. The mess is that we're not allowed to.


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06 Sep 2019, 1:23 am

Boris Johnson has said he would rather be "dead in a ditch" than ask the EU to delay brexit beyond 10-31.
The PM declined to say if he would resign if a postponement were forced on him.

He accused MP of having torpedoed the UK'S negotiating position with the EU by voting for labour's bill designed to block a no deal brexit on 10-31.The legislation would force the PM to delay brexit untill january 2020


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06 Sep 2019, 3:02 am

48 hours in and I am already bored of hearing the good little Tory MP sheep all repeating the same catchphrases that they have been told to.

'People Vs Parliament'
'surrenderbill'

it's no wonder people get angry at them having no personalties and just following a script so robotically



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06 Sep 2019, 6:40 am

No one thought a UK prime minister could be worse than Theresa May.Until now!

For a moment,it seemed he would breathe new life into the brexit process.Some thought,just maybe,he could manage to do what My did not
How quickly it all went wrong.

full article on CNN world


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06 Sep 2019, 7:04 am

May was the one who stopped us leaving the EU.


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06 Sep 2019, 7:05 am

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May was the one who stopped us leaving the EU.


The ERG had the numbers to get us out in MV3 but chose to side with Corbyn and vote against their own party



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06 Sep 2019, 7:09 am

Meeting of all opposition parties this morning. Sounding like, for now at least, they have decided to hold off on any backing of a GE until Nov to make sure that the anti no deal legislation is adhered to, and of course to keep Johnson in the quite ridiculous looking position that he and his 'political mastermind' have chosen to get themselves into



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06 Sep 2019, 7:11 am

Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
May was the one who stopped us leaving the EU.


The ERG had the numbers to get us out in MV3 but chose to side with Corbyn and vote against their own party


May's capitulation treaty wasn't getting us out. It kept us tied to the EU forever, left us in a far worse position than the arrangement we have now and we had to pay like $60 billion for the pleasure. May stopped us leaving on the 29th of March which was in British law. Maybe copy and paste this somewhere so I don't have to keep repeating it.


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06 Sep 2019, 7:12 am

Their main objective is to keep us in the EU and there's a lot of those MP's that know they were elected on a pack of lies so know they will be swept away.


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06 Sep 2019, 7:13 am

JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
May was the one who stopped us leaving the EU.


The ERG had the numbers to get us out in MV3 but chose to side with Corbyn and vote against their own party


May's capitulation treaty wasn't getting us out.


It wasn't getting us out on the terms you prefer, but we would have no longer been members of the European Union, that is a fact.



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06 Sep 2019, 7:15 am

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Their main objective is to keep us in the EU and there's a lot of those MP's that know they were elected on a pack of lies so know they will be swept away.


some (the Independent Group lot in particular) will certainly be gone. But with an election looming nearer and nearer and the leader of your opponents party gets himself tangled up to such a degree I can see why they want to make the most of it. There is going to be a GE anyway, we all know that, it's whether it happens pre Oct 31st or post Oct 31st that is to be decided.



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06 Sep 2019, 7:19 am

Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
May was the one who stopped us leaving the EU.


The ERG had the numbers to get us out in MV3 but chose to side with Corbyn and vote against their own party


May's capitulation treaty wasn't getting us out.


It wasn't getting us out on the terms you prefer, but we would have no longer been members of the European Union, that is a fact.


The Custom's Union is along with the Single Market the main body of the EU. It kept us in the Custom's Union forever, didn't deal with freedom of movement or the ECHR. So no, it was staying in the EU without the membership. Really not difficult to understand. To make out the people who were the biggest supporters of Brexit were voting against it cause they didn't want to leave the EU is absurd.


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06 Sep 2019, 7:44 am

JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
May was the one who stopped us leaving the EU.


The ERG had the numbers to get us out in MV3 but chose to side with Corbyn and vote against their own party


May's capitulation treaty wasn't getting us out.


It wasn't getting us out on the terms you prefer, but we would have no longer been members of the European Union, that is a fact.


The Custom's Union is along with the Single Market the main body of the EU. It kept us in the Custom's Union forever, didn't deal with freedom of movement or the ECHR. So no, it was staying in the EU without the membership. Really not difficult to understand. To make out the people who were the biggest supporters of Brexit were voting against it cause they didn't want to leave the EU is absurd.


You can keep twisting and turning all you like, but May's Withdrawal Agreement left us, after the transition period, as no longer being member of the European Union. That is a fact that cannot be denied.

The challenge is then to fix the backstop with alternative arrangements, which the arch leavers say can be done very simply.