trump plans to send feds into democrat cities

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22 Jul 2020, 5:40 pm

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it is so far, the pinocheting of amuuurica, what with the extrajudicial abductions of innocents.

Exactly, what he's doing is illegal. You'll find his supporters arguing the "Insurrection Act of 1807", but that's not actually being used, at least not in a lawful way. There are two thresholds that haven't been met by his actions if he's using the Insurrection Act.

First, he needs authority from the legislature or governor of the state in question, which he does not currently have in Portland, nor will he get there:

10 U.S.C., Sec. 331. Federal aid for State governments wrote:
Whenever there is an insurrections in any State against its government, the President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into Federal service such of the militia of the other States, in the number requested by that State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to suppress the insurrection.


Second, he needs to make a proclamation to the insurgents that he's using the Act, and no a tweet, or "people say", or other BS rationale is not a proclamation. A proclamation in U.S. law is a very specific document that must be released to the public (the people) as well as signed and sent to the Senate and House:

10 U.S.C., Sec. 334. Proclamation to disperse wrote:
Whenever the President considers it necessary to use the militia or the armed forces under this chapter, he shall, by proclamation, immediately order the insurgents or those obstructing the enforcement of the laws to disperse and retire peaceably to their abodes within a limited time.



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22 Jul 2020, 5:45 pm

the constitution is just a piece of paper to those people, while they use it to beat everybody else [the 99%] over the head with it.



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23 Jul 2020, 5:31 pm

The rich create jobs when it is convenient for them. Which is to say, they're more likely to put that money in their own coffers, invest overseas (where workers are more exploitable, thanks to capitalist-abetted corruption), or use it for stock buybacks.
Not to mention that capitalism requires some level of unemployment to keep workers desperate and too afraid of being fired to try and organize and stand up for themselves. This also leads to resentment of immigrants bc they're adding to the mandatory unemployment. More workers should be welcome! More workers should help get the job done faster and easier. But no, it would be too hard on the corporate class to make the most out of the workforce. This is the same reason capitalists hate unemployment benefits. It hurts the ability of employers to implicitly threaten their workers with starvation and homelessness. The capitalist worker thinks that the fewer rights he has in the workplace, the better off he is. Baffling.
The capitalist says the economy will get better if you just lower his taxes. Then the economy doesn't get better. So they ask for more tax breaks. And the poor still live in desperation and precarity.

I applaud Aristophanes for undermining even the legalist arguments in favor of these unconstitutional abuses. In my experience, people who ramble on and on about the constitution almost to the point of religious zealotry--these are the people most likely to support government violence. Their support for the 1st, 2nd, and 5th amendments evaporates the moment politicians or news pundits tell them they should be scared. Then, they will support any abuse of power as long as it is directed at the dangerous 'other'.
It's why so many of them support the Patriot Act. The continued existence of the DHS. The arrest and killing of black Americans without due process (bc cops are too incompetent and cowardly). Mass incarceration. Unidentifiable agents shoving citizens into unmarked vans to take off to God knows where. Habeas corpus is for chumps apparently; Miranda rights are for chumps apparently.
When federal agents abuse their power against the left, they cheer them as those agents trample on the constitution. Bc they think the government abusing power makes them safer lmfao
But if it happens at Ruby Ridge or Waco, they form extremist militias and carry out acts like the Oklahoma City bombing and any number of right-wing mass shootings. In the name of the constitution, supposedly.


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30 Jul 2020, 8:03 am

Federal agents in downtown Portland to begin leaving, Oregon governor announces

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The Trump administration and Oregon's governor have agreed to begin withdrawing federal agents from downtown Portland following nightly violent clashes between law enforcement and demonstrators, the governor said Wednesday. But the White House and Department of Homeland Security said federal law enforcement will leave the city once attacks on the federal courthouse there — which officers were sent to protect — have stopped.

Oregon Governor Kate Brown, a Democrat, said the removal of federal law enforcement from the Department of Homeland Security comes after discussions with Vice President Mike Pence and other Trump administration officials.

"After my repeated requests, the federal government has agreed to a phased withdrawal of federal officers that have been deployed to the Mark Hatfield United States Courthouse over recent weeks," she said in a statement. "These federal officers have acted as an occupying force, refused accountability, and brought violence and strife to our community."

Officers with Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement will begin leaving downtown Portland on Thursday, she said. They will also clean up the courthouse and remove graffiti.

"The local Oregon officers of the Oregon State Police will provide protection for free speech and the security of the exterior of the courthouse with the Federal Protective Service," Brown said. "A limited contingent of federal officials, who act as building security year-round, will remain and will stay focused on the interior of the U.S. Courthouse."

Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf said in a separate statement he and Brown reached a "joint plan to end the violent activity in Portland directed at federal properties and law enforcement officers."

"This plan is possible due to the valiant efforts of the DHS law enforcement officers protecting federal property in Portland from violent activity for the past two months," Wolf said. "The department will continue to maintain our current, augmented federal law enforcement personnel in Portland until we are assured that the Hartfield Federal Courthouse and other federal properties will no longer be attacked and that the seat of justice in Portland will remain secure."

Still, the details of the withdrawal are muddled, as White House spokeswoman Sarah Matthews said in a statement that "as the president and Secretary Wolf have both made clear, federal law enforcement officers will not leave until the seat of justice in Portland is secure."

Devin O'Malley, Pence's press secretary, said the vice president told Brown earlier this week federal law enforcement would stay in Portland until the violence directed toward them and the courthouse ceased.

"The vice president was very clear that law and order must be restored in Portland," O'Malley said in a statement. "Vice President Pence welcomes Governor Brown's decision to deploy the Oregon State Police to Portland and is confident that federal, state and local law enforcement can end the violence directed at federal properties and law enforcement officers. and restore peace to the streets of the city."

As the number of federal officers in Portland ballooned, state and local officials denounced their presence and said the officers were escalating tensions with protesters. On several occasions, federal officers guarding the courthouse used tear gas and other tactics to disperse demonstrators, while the Trump administration said the protesters hurled projectiles at officers, set off fireworks at the courthouse and used lasers to blind law enforcement.

The deployment of federal law enforcement from the Department of Homeland Security was dubbed "Operation Diligent Valor" and has included more than 100 officers from the Federal Protective Service, Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Protection.


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30 Jul 2020, 8:15 am

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Federal agents in downtown Portland to begin leaving, Oregon governor announces
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The Trump administration and Oregon's governor have agreed to begin withdrawing federal agents from downtown Portland following nightly violent clashes between law enforcement and demonstrators, the governor said Wednesday. But the White House and Department of Homeland Security said federal law enforcement will leave the city once attacks on the federal courthouse there — which officers were sent to protect — have stopped.

Oregon Governor Kate Brown, a Democrat, said the removal of federal law enforcement from the Department of Homeland Security comes after discussions with Vice President Mike Pence and other Trump administration officials.

"After my repeated requests, the federal government has agreed to a phased withdrawal of federal officers that have been deployed to the Mark Hatfield United States Courthouse over recent weeks," she said in a statement. "These federal officers have acted as an occupying force, refused accountability, and brought violence and strife to our community."

Officers with Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement will begin leaving downtown Portland on Thursday, she said. They will also clean up the courthouse and remove graffiti.

"The local Oregon officers of the Oregon State Police will provide protection for free speech and the security of the exterior of the courthouse with the Federal Protective Service," Brown said. "A limited contingent of federal officials, who act as building security year-round, will remain and will stay focused on the interior of the U.S. Courthouse."

Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf said in a separate statement he and Brown reached a "joint plan to end the violent activity in Portland directed at federal properties and law enforcement officers."

"This plan is possible due to the valiant efforts of the DHS law enforcement officers protecting federal property in Portland from violent activity for the past two months," Wolf said. "The department will continue to maintain our current, augmented federal law enforcement personnel in Portland until we are assured that the Hartfield Federal Courthouse and other federal properties will no longer be attacked and that the seat of justice in Portland will remain secure."

Still, the details of the withdrawal are muddled, as White House spokeswoman Sarah Matthews said in a statement that "as the president and Secretary Wolf have both made clear, federal law enforcement officers will not leave until the seat of justice in Portland is secure."

Devin O'Malley, Pence's press secretary, said the vice president told Brown earlier this week federal law enforcement would stay in Portland until the violence directed toward them and the courthouse ceased.

"The vice president was very clear that law and order must be restored in Portland," O'Malley said in a statement. "Vice President Pence welcomes Governor Brown's decision to deploy the Oregon State Police to Portland and is confident that federal, state and local law enforcement can end the violence directed at federal properties and law enforcement officers. and restore peace to the streets of the city."

As the number of federal officers in Portland ballooned, state and local officials denounced their presence and said the officers were escalating tensions with protesters. On several occasions, federal officers guarding the courthouse used tear gas and other tactics to disperse demonstrators, while the Trump administration said the protesters hurled projectiles at officers, set off fireworks at the courthouse and used lasers to blind law enforcement.

The deployment of federal law enforcement from the Department of Homeland Security was dubbed "Operation Diligent Valor" and has included more than 100 officers from the Federal Protective Service, Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Protection.


So, federal agents who were sent in because the local police weren't protecting federal property and so were needed to do the job are leaving because the local police are now going to do what they should have been doing from the start?

Strangely enough, none of this would have happened if the local police weren't being prevented from doing their job from the start by the local politicians.

I wonder: with the federal police leaving, which was claimed to be the "reason" for the rioting in the area, even though the rioting was occurring well before they were sent there, will there still be rioters there now?

On a side note: I wonder if the city's change-of-heart regarding local police defending the federal property had anything to do with recent surveys which have found approval for the President was going up as a result of the federal officers being sent in?