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21 Dec 2020, 3:22 pm

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"A lot of people" is a weaselly phrase that means nothing.
"12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010" (in US) https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
That's better ... but how does it compare to the number of deaths caused by the coronavirus?

:? Last I heard, that number was well over 600,000 since March 2020 ... and counting...


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21 Dec 2020, 3:25 pm

Many people come out virtually unscathed from an attack of COVID (me included)-----but enough people suffer complications from COVID for it to be taken QUITE seriously by most reputable experts.

Most people came out virtually unscathed from polio-----but enough people were paralyzed and had to be put in an iron lung for it to be taken QUITE seriously by most reputable experts.



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21 Dec 2020, 3:33 pm

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Many people come out virtually unscathed from an attack of COVID (me included)-----but enough people suffer complications from COVID for it to be taken QUITE seriously by most reputable experts.
Because most of the people who die from Covid already have underlying health issues.



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21 Dec 2020, 3:36 pm

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... most of the people who die from Covid already have underlying health issues.
Evidence, please?

How long are you going to keep ignoring requests for data to support your claims?


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21 Dec 2020, 3:37 pm

Fnord wrote:
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"A lot of people" is a weaselly phrase that means nothing.
"12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010" (in US) https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
That's better ... but how does it compare to the number of deaths caused by the coronavirus?

:? Last I heard, that number was well over 600,000 since March 2020 ... and counting...

The official number for US is about 320,000 and counting, likely underestimated.

Here, the problem is healthcare system collapse, making people die not only from (diagnosed or undiagnosed) covid but also from other treatable conditions and accidents.


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21 Dec 2020, 3:38 pm

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I wear my mask with pride.Its a badge of compassion, I won’t infect others.It’s a small price to pay to save lives.


The fact that a piece of fabric can prevent viral transmission is not only highly dubious, it is a living joke.


It won't prevent viral transmission, but it can definitely limit the range of the expelled virus.

If you want to see the difference, try blowing out the candles on a birthday cake while wearing a mask.



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21 Dec 2020, 3:40 pm

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"A lot of people" is a weaselly phrase that means nothing.
"12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010" (in US) https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
That's better ... but how does it compare to the number of deaths caused by the coronavirus?

:? Last I heard, that number was well over 600,000 since March 2020 ... and counting...

The official number for US is about 320,000 and counting, likely underestimated.

Here, the problem is healthcare system collapse, making people die not only from (diagnosed or undiagnosed) covid but also from other treatable conditions and accidents.
So the ratio between coronavirus deaths and flu virus deaths is upwards of 6 to 1.  Thank you.


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21 Dec 2020, 3:41 pm

StayFrosty wrote:
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Many people come out virtually unscathed from an attack of COVID (me included)-----but enough people suffer complications from COVID for it to be taken QUITE seriously by most reputable experts.
Because most of the people who die from Covid already have underlying health issues.


That doesn't mean that they were about to die from those underlying health issues.

The husband of a former co-worker (both about 10 years younger than me) died with covid recently. He had underlying health issues, but without covid there is no reason to think that he wouldn't have been good for at least another 10 to 15 years. The others I knew who died from covid were older but might easily have had another 5 to 10 good years ahead of them.

Trying to excuse deaths because of "underlying health issues" is just plain crazy.



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21 Dec 2020, 3:45 pm

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... Trying to excuse deaths because of "underlying health issues" is just plain crazy.
It implies the belief that "It's okay because they would have died anyway".


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21 Dec 2020, 3:48 pm

Fnord wrote:
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"A lot of people" is a weaselly phrase that means nothing.
"12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010" (in US) https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
That's better ... but how does it compare to the number of deaths caused by the coronavirus?

:? Last I heard, that number was well over 600,000 since March 2020 ... and counting...

The official number for US is about 320,000 and counting, likely underestimated.

Here, the problem is healthcare system collapse, making people die not only from (diagnosed or undiagnosed) covid but also from other treatable conditions and accidents.
So the ratio between coronavirus deaths and flu virus deaths is upwards of 6 to 1.  Thank you.


Also, according to doctors, very few people actually die from an influenza virus. One doctor said that most doctors will never see a single patient die from an influenza virus in their entire career. Nearly everyone who dies "from the flu" actually die from an opportunistic infection that became established as a result of lowered immunity from having the flu.

In comparison, the covid virus itself is responsible for a great many deaths because of the damage it does to the body and the changes it makes to it.

Sure there are opportunistic infections, too. If there are about the same number of opportunistic infections for covid as there are for the flu, then far more than the majority of covid deaths are from covid and not opportunistic infections.



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21 Dec 2020, 3:56 pm

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So the ratio between coronavirus deaths and flu virus deaths is upwards of 6 to 1.  Thank you.

For confirmed deaths.
And the season is not over yet, the winter ahead.


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21 Dec 2020, 3:58 pm

I’ve only known one person that died from the flu in my life.I know six that have died from covid.


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21 Dec 2020, 4:00 pm

Darn those statistics!  Whatever happened to the day when vaguely-worded qualifiers would win the debate?

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21 Dec 2020, 4:04 pm

I like wearing masks. I feel safer when I wear them.


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21 Dec 2020, 4:05 pm

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I like wearing masks. I feel safer when I wear them.
My asthma has vastly improved, and I live downwind of Los Angeles!


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21 Dec 2020, 4:12 pm

Fnord wrote:
magz wrote:
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"A lot of people" is a weaselly phrase that means nothing.
"12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010" (in US) https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
That's better ... but how does it compare to the number of deaths caused by the coronavirus?

:? Last I heard, that number was well over 600,000 since March 2020 ... and counting...
Because most of the people who die from the virus already were unhealthy to begin with. Maybe Big Pharma should start investing in curing illnesses rather than profit off of them.