11 Aug 2021, 6:25 pm
Pepe wrote:
Double Retired wrote:
Pepe wrote:
As I have said before, my primary concern is not ending up in a Chinese labour camp. 
Climate change pales in comparison.
I disagree...slightly. Climate change pales in comparison.
I think Climate Change is the biggy. But only if you look at the big picture...which requires taking a longer view of things. I could understand if someone thought it was unlikely to affect them personally because they only expected to live long enough to see the early, less horrible years of it.
People have been predicting billions of people dying for quite some time, and they were wrong.
You do understand the message behind the story of "The boy who cried wolf", right?
I have been saying for years that the catastrophizing of climate change damaged the cause.
Refer to Tim Flannery and his exaggerated comments about doom and gloom.
Some of these turkeys people admitted they lied about the extent of the problem because they wanted people to act.
I read somewhere that Al Gore(y) was one of them.
Well, the irony is, the BS has caused them to lose credibility.
And they only have themselves to blame.
BTW, Australian damns will never be filled ever again.
Just ask Timmy.
Unfortunately covid isn't lethal enough to wipe out the several billion needed, but climate change might well be. After that the survivors would need to adopt a society that is non violent, non competitive, and in which everyone is mutually supportive. In which the people live deliberately without wastefully mass producing things only for financial gain. It's not just climate change that's the problem. It's the massive plastic garbage pits in the oceans and etc.
11 Aug 2021, 6:36 pm
Double Retired wrote:
I would agree catastrophe is not imminent. Most predictions seem to be talking about things getting really bad by the end of the century...so not imminent. Bad things have already started, however...in the U.S. record levels of heat in the Northwest has already killed people and the drought conditions in the West have created excellent wildfire conditions.
And I think you folk down under have experienced similar things...though you're on your own with the mice!
And I think you folk down under have experienced similar things...though you're on your own with the mice!
If you believe CO2 levels are of major concern, you should consider this article: viewtopic.php?t=399171#p8839320
Surprisingly, the mice problem isn't mentioned any longer on the news, and where I am, I haven't seen a problem.
Quote:
My Country (I Love a Sunburnt Country) Lyrics: Dorothea MacKellar
Chorus
I love a sunburnt country
A land of sweeping plains
Of rugged mountain ranges
Of drought and flooding rains
I love her far horizons
I love her jew-el sea
Her beauty and her terror____
The wide brown land ..........for me.
Australia for me.
Verse 1
Core of my heart my country
Land of the rainbow gold
For flood and fire and famine
She pays us back three-fold
But then the grey clouds gather and we can bless again
The drumming of an army
The steady soaking rain.
Chorus
I love a sunburnt country
A land of sweeping plains
Of rugged mountain ranges
Of drought and flooding rains
I love her far horizons
I love her jew-el sea
Her beauty and her terror____
The wide brown land ..........for me.
Australia for me.
Verse 1
Core of my heart my country
Land of the rainbow gold
For flood and fire and famine
She pays us back three-fold
But then the grey clouds gather and we can bless again
The drumming of an army
The steady soaking rain.
http://www.goyder.net.au/Mary-Anne/My%2 ... 0choir.pdf
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12 Aug 2021, 8:53 am
12 Aug 2021, 9:36 pm
Double Retired wrote:
Seems reasonable (both CO2 and the mice).
And on the CO2 you get a twofer--I think it would also be reasonable to be concerned about China leading us into a shooting war in the South China Sea. But, I'm not quite as sure about the labor camp part...might not be a viable option afterwards since China has nuclear weapons.
And on the CO2 you get a twofer--I think it would also be reasonable to be concerned about China leading us into a shooting war in the South China Sea. But, I'm not quite as sure about the labor camp part...might not be a viable option afterwards since China has nuclear weapons.
China doesn't need nuclear weapons.
And why would it pollute the resources it believes is rightfully theirs in their sphere of political influence?
BTW, I'd rather go instantly as a result of a nuclear bomb than dying after months or years in a death camp.
But then, on the bright side, my organs are shot so they won't be stealing any of those from me.
See, there is always a silver lining, even in old age.
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13 Aug 2021, 9:27 am
Pepe wrote:
See, there is always a silver lining, even in old age.
Hmmm... On me the silver is starting to show up on the exterior, not the lining. The interior has some holes where original equipment has been removed and also some replacement parts that look like they came from the appliance-repair section of the hardware store.But I think your concern with China vs. mine with Climate Change might reflect location--you live a whole lot closer to China--and possibly general outlook--I think you might be more pessimistic than I...surely it is just optimism on my part that I hope to be around long enough that Climate Change will be much worse.
13 Aug 2021, 8:10 pm
Double Retired wrote:
But I think your concern with China vs. mine with Climate Change might reflect location--you live a whole lot closer to China--and possibly general outlook--I think you might be more pessimistic than I...surely it is just optimism on my part that I hope to be around long enough that Climate Change will be much worse.
This goes without saying, yes.
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31 Aug 2021, 1:44 pm
31 Aug 2021, 5:42 pm
31 Aug 2021, 5:51 pm
Pepe wrote:
Double Retired wrote:
I would agree catastrophe is not imminent. Most predictions seem to be talking about things getting really bad by the end of the century...so not imminent. Bad things have already started, however...in the U.S. record levels of heat in the Northwest has already killed people and the drought conditions in the West have created excellent wildfire conditions.
And I think you folk down under have experienced similar things...though you're on your own with the mice!
And I think you folk down under have experienced similar things...though you're on your own with the mice!
If you believe CO2 levels are of major concern, you should consider this article: viewtopic.php?t=399171#p8839320
Surprisingly, the mice problem isn't mentioned any longer on the news, and where I am, I haven't seen a problem.
Quote:
My Country (I Love a Sunburnt Country) Lyrics: Dorothea MacKellar
Chorus
I love a sunburnt country
A land of sweeping plains
Of rugged mountain ranges
Of drought and flooding rains
I love her far horizons
I love her jew-el sea
Her beauty and her terror____
The wide brown land ..........for me.
Australia for me.
Verse 1
Core of my heart my country
Land of the rainbow gold
For flood and fire and famine
She pays us back three-fold
But then the grey clouds gather and we can bless again
The drumming of an army
The steady soaking rain.
Chorus
I love a sunburnt country
A land of sweeping plains
Of rugged mountain ranges
Of drought and flooding rains
I love her far horizons
I love her jew-el sea
Her beauty and her terror____
The wide brown land ..........for me.
Australia for me.
Verse 1
Core of my heart my country
Land of the rainbow gold
For flood and fire and famine
She pays us back three-fold
But then the grey clouds gather and we can bless again
The drumming of an army
The steady soaking rain.
http://www.goyder.net.au/Mary-Anne/My%2 ... 0choir.pdf
Perhaps your feral cats ate all the mice? I've heard the problem is so bad it's legal to hunt them.
31 Aug 2021, 6:18 pm
31 Aug 2021, 8:25 pm
Pepe wrote:
Double Retired wrote:
I would agree catastrophe is not imminent. Most predictions seem to be talking about things getting really bad by the end of the century...so not imminent. Bad things have already started, however...in the U.S. record levels of heat in the Northwest has already killed people and the drought conditions in the West have created excellent wildfire conditions.
And I think you folk down under have experienced similar things...though you're on your own with the mice!
And I think you folk down under have experienced similar things...though you're on your own with the mice!
If you believe CO2 levels are of major concern, you should consider this article: viewtopic.php?t=399171#p8839320
Surprisingly, the mice problem isn't mentioned any longer on the news, and where I am, I haven't seen a problem.
Quote:
My Country (I Love a Sunburnt Country) Lyrics: Dorothea MacKellar
Chorus
I love a sunburnt country
A land of sweeping plains
Of rugged mountain ranges
Of drought and flooding rains
I love her far horizons
I love her jew-el sea
Her beauty and her terror____
The wide brown land ..........for me.
Australia for me.
Verse 1
Core of my heart my country
Land of the rainbow gold
For flood and fire and famine
She pays us back three-fold
But then the grey clouds gather and we can bless again
The drumming of an army
The steady soaking rain.
Chorus
I love a sunburnt country
A land of sweeping plains
Of rugged mountain ranges
Of drought and flooding rains
I love her far horizons
I love her jew-el sea
Her beauty and her terror____
The wide brown land ..........for me.
Australia for me.
Verse 1
Core of my heart my country
Land of the rainbow gold
For flood and fire and famine
She pays us back three-fold
But then the grey clouds gather and we can bless again
The drumming of an army
The steady soaking rain.
http://www.goyder.net.au/Mary-Anne/My%2 ... 0choir.pdf
https://youtu.be/bW4ZwyYJYbQ
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04 Nov 2021, 10:16 am
04 Nov 2021, 10:30 am
Pepe wrote:
Double Retired wrote:
Seems reasonable (both CO2 and the mice).
And on the CO2 you get a twofer--I think it would also be reasonable to be concerned about China leading us into a shooting war in the South China Sea. But, I'm not quite as sure about the labor camp part...might not be a viable option afterwards since China has nuclear weapons.
And on the CO2 you get a twofer--I think it would also be reasonable to be concerned about China leading us into a shooting war in the South China Sea. But, I'm not quite as sure about the labor camp part...might not be a viable option afterwards since China has nuclear weapons.
China doesn't need nuclear weapons.
And why would it pollute the resources it believes is rightfully theirs in their sphere of political influence?
BTW, I'd rather go instantly as a result of a nuclear bomb than dying after months or years in a death camp.
But then, on the bright side, my organs are shot so they won't be stealing any of those from me.
See, there is always a silver lining, even in old age.
China is surrounded and or close to several nuclear states including Russia, North Korea, India, and Pakistan. Living in that neighborhood I would certainly want my country to have nukes too.
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04 Nov 2021, 12:09 pm
04 Nov 2021, 2:38 pm
Axeman wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Double Retired wrote:
Seems reasonable (both CO2 and the mice).
And on the CO2 you get a twofer--I think it would also be reasonable to be concerned about China leading us into a shooting war in the South China Sea. But, I'm not quite as sure about the labor camp part...might not be a viable option afterwards since China has nuclear weapons.
And on the CO2 you get a twofer--I think it would also be reasonable to be concerned about China leading us into a shooting war in the South China Sea. But, I'm not quite as sure about the labor camp part...might not be a viable option afterwards since China has nuclear weapons.
China doesn't need nuclear weapons.
And why would it pollute the resources it believes is rightfully theirs in their sphere of political influence?
BTW, I'd rather go instantly as a result of a nuclear bomb than dying after months or years in a death camp.
But then, on the bright side, my organs are shot so they won't be stealing any of those from me.
See, there is always a silver lining, even in old age.
China is surrounded and or close to several nuclear states including Russia, North Korea, India, and Pakistan. Living in that neighborhood I would certainly want my country to have nukes too.
You misunderstood my context.
China doesn't need to use nuclear weapons against Australia.
04 Nov 2021, 2:40 pm
Double Retired wrote:
Yahoo!, attributed to NBC News: "Scotland's 'Sphinx' snow patch melts away for only eighth time in 300 years"
Quote:
The United Kingdom's longest-lasting patch of snow, located in a remote mountain range in the Scottish Highlands, has melted away for only the eighth time in 300 years, experts have confirmed.
The snow patch, nicknamed the Sphinx, is the U.K.'s most durable, which means it typically stays frozen through the summer, even after most snow has melted across the region's upland terrain. The rare disappearance of the patch comes as Scotland plays host to the United Nations Climate Change Conference, known as COP26, during which government officials from around the world are negotiating policies to avert the worst impacts of global warming.
The Sphinx snow patch adorns the side of Braeriach, the third-highest mountain in Britain that forms part of the Cairngorms mountain range. Records indicate that the patch is previously known to have melted completely in 1933, 1959, 1996, 2003, 2006, 2017 and 2018.
Before 1933, it's estimated that the last time the snow patch disappeared was in the 1700s, according to Iain Cameron, author of "The Vanishing Ice: Diaries of a Scottish Snow Hunter."
The snow patch, nicknamed the Sphinx, is the U.K.'s most durable, which means it typically stays frozen through the summer, even after most snow has melted across the region's upland terrain. The rare disappearance of the patch comes as Scotland plays host to the United Nations Climate Change Conference, known as COP26, during which government officials from around the world are negotiating policies to avert the worst impacts of global warming.
The Sphinx snow patch adorns the side of Braeriach, the third-highest mountain in Britain that forms part of the Cairngorms mountain range. Records indicate that the patch is previously known to have melted completely in 1933, 1959, 1996, 2003, 2006, 2017 and 2018.
Before 1933, it's estimated that the last time the snow patch disappeared was in the 1700s, according to Iain Cameron, author of "The Vanishing Ice: Diaries of a Scottish Snow Hunter."
Yes, the climate has always changed, even before humanity was in existence.
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