Uvalde Police Chief Fired

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I actually find the inaction to be incredibly shocking, not because I have a lot of confidence in the police but because I don't know an adult man who wouldn't throw himself between a child and harm, it's damn near instinctive (I have it and I don't particularly like children). The thought of just standing there geared up and letting it happen is beyond horrifying, I think I'd rather get shot than do that.

Who'd have thought that one day that we'd find ourselves contemplating scenarios that would entail suppressing/defeating the cops to get them out of the way so we could get to the kids to rescue them.
What a world we live in...

Who'd have thought that one day that we'd find ourselves contemplating scenarios that would entail suppressing/defeating the cops to get them out of the way so we could get to the kids to rescue them.
What a world we live in...

I don't disagree, I mean catch me on a bad day and I'll half seriously advocate picking off cops running speed traps as a warning to the others, I was just trying to think through a slightly more legal option. In the absence of legal options though, I don't take anything off the table, criminals acting under the color of law deserve the harshest sanction, up to and including unmarked holes in the desert.

I don't know if you're on Arfcom or not.

There are a lot of cops on there, and they were about as unanimous as I've ever seen them regarding a police failure, like not a single person defending the cops and a lot of suggestions that they collectively suck start a shotgun. That's one of the bigger myths about the right broadly, there are definitely some bootlicking types, but it's not nearly as widespread or deeply rooted as is commonly believed.

There is a unconfirmed story where police where hassling a military transport vehicle. The MPs shot the police and buried them in unmarked graves.

Might the training have leaned too far into the you are heroes, the most important thing is you guys going home to your families doctrine during training?

ARF.com? Yes, but I've never posted very much there. It is where I learned the details of assembling AR's. It used to be called AR15.com and "ARF" was its nickname.
Also, M4Carbine.net is a good site.

Yup, still AR15.com, though mostly people just call it Arfcom. It's not as lively as it once was, Brownells bought the site a couple of years ago and had to clean it up a bit, but it's still pretty big and active, I mostly post on the tech side and browse GD for laughs. It's also really useful for tracking stories not in the mainstream news, all through 2020 there were guys there watching all the live streams of the various riots and protests pulling footage of what was really happening, or later watching the Rittenhouse trial all day and clipping the highlights, if you know how to look it's a great tool. That place also costs me tons of money, I'm up to 11 cans thanks to those guys, gotta flex on the poors lol.

Yes, exactly that, along with the warrior mindset garbage. It really saddens me that a guy who wrote a book I really like is behind a lot of that stuff, dude by the name of Dave Grossman, his On Killing is an extremely important book even if his last couple of chapters on violent games haven't aged well, but he's also the godfather of this type of police training that I think is highly toxic and teaches the cops to act more like soldiers occupying hostile territory.

I didn't want to call him out by name but I've read On Killing and On Combat to the point they started to fall apart.

Not too many years ago there had been legislation proposed to drop the tax stamp/NFA requirements from suppressor purchases and require only a 4473 and NICS. Of course, it went nowhere.

Yeah, the Hearing Protection Act, a casualty of the Las Vegas concert shooting. NFA is so wonky that even liberals I try and explain it to usually concede it's a bad law, if they can figure out the difference between a pistol, a short barreled rifle, an "any other weapon", and a "firearm", that is.

I'd sure like my $2K+ in tax stamps back, to say nothing of the months of waiting, I've got two in jail right now, one from last May and one from January on an E-Form, waiting with bated breath to see which one comes in first.

Uvalde school officials fired a newly hired district cop Thursday after a report revealed she was one of the officers who botched rescue attempts at the Robb Elementary School massacre – but Texas Gov. Greg Abbott claims the agency knew exactly who she was when they hired her.

Crimson Elizondo was canned one day after CNN identified her as one of the first Texas Department of Public Safety officers who arrived at the scene and failed to take proper action as Salvador Ramos slaughtered 19 kids and two teachers inside.

Elizondo showed up with her handgun drawn, but did not grab any tactical body armor or her long rifle from her police car, as officers are trained to do, CNN reported.

She was later captured on body camera footage telling a fellow officer that if her own son had been inside the building, she wouldn’t have been standing around outside.

“We are deeply distressed by the information that was disclosed yesterday evening concerning one of our recently hired employees, Crimson Elizondo,” the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District said in a statement.

“We sincerely apologize to the victim’s families and the greater Uvalde community for the pain that this revelation has caused. Ms. Elizondo’s statement in the audio is not consistent with the District’s expectations.”

But Gov. Greg Abbott claims the school district had reached out to Texas DPS before hiring Elizondo and was told the officer “had actions inconsistent with training and department requirements,” the Texas Tribune reported.

“So that school district had full information about the person they chose to go ahead and hire, and that’s up to the school district — not DPS, not anybody else — to have to own up to the poor decision they made,” Abbott told reporters Thursday.

Surveillance footage captured Elizondo inside the elementary school briefly, still without any protective gear on, but mostly she mostly stood outside, CNN said.

At one point, Elizondo can be heard on body camera footage responding to a fellow officer who asked whether she had children inside the school as officers received reports of shots fired in the building.

“If my son had been in there, I would not have been outside,” she said. “I promise you that.”

She later left the scene after offering to gather supplies and by the time she returned, police had apprehended the gunman.

The Uvalde, Texas, school district -- still facing withering criticism over its police department's failings both during the May 24 elementary school massacre and since -- announced the suspension of the entire district police force on Friday.

Hours later, Uvalde school district Superintendent Hal Harrell announced he would be retiring. There was no timeframe given for Harrell's retirement, but the transition will be discussed in a closed session of the school board on Monday.

The district said it's requested more Texas Department of Public Safety troopers to be stationed on campuses and at extracurricular activities amid the police department suspension, adding, "We are confident that staff and student safety will not be compromised during this transition."

The length of the school district police suspension is not clear.

Lt. Miguel Hernandez, who was tasked with leading the department in the fallout from the shooting that killed 19 students and two teachers, and Ken Mueller, the UCISD's director of student services, were placed on administrative leave.

Hernandez acknowledged in a law enforcement communication in August that he'd received formal notification from DPS that an officer applying to Uvalde's school police force was under investigation for her response at Robb Elementary.

Mueller has elected to retire, according to the school district.

"Officers currently employed will fill other roles in the district," the school district said. According to the district's website, that includes four officers and one security guard.

Victims' families, led by Brett Cross, guardian of 10-year-old victim Uziyah Garcia, had been holding a round-the-clock vigil outside the school district headquarters calling for change. The families are now commending Friday's police department announcement.

"We've gotten a little bit of accountability," an emotional Cross told ABC News. "So, it's a win, and we don't get very many of those."