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26 Feb 2023, 5:13 pm

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The West really needed to become less dependent on Russia and China anyway. The COVID crisis already exposed our supply-chain vulnerabilities on many fronts.


This has already been done to a large extent.
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26 Feb 2023, 7:44 pm

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but we know it's really hush money.


<citation needed>


You need a citation, I don't really care what you need. It's common knowledge that Hunter Biden was on several boards and received large amounts of funds (which he shared with his Dad) for subjects he knew nothing about. If Joe Biden stopped supporting Ukraine, we will learn the truth of why a crack head, not a past crack head, but a shaking, sh*****g, active addiction crack head was placed on a board and given huge sums of money.


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26 Feb 2023, 7:52 pm

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(due to inflation that always comes with a democrat)

Looking up the actual U.S. Inflation Rate 1960-2023 and comparing it with a list of U.S. Presidents:

No, inflation isn't always especially bad under a Democrat.

It's true that the worst inflation was under Jimmy Carter, a Democrat. But the second-worst inflation was under Gerald Ford, a Republican.

Inflation was not bad at all under the Democratic presidencies of John F. Kennedy, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama, compared to the average Republican presidency.


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26 Feb 2023, 8:01 pm

Pepe wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
The West really needed to become less dependent on Russia and China anyway. The COVID crisis already exposed our supply-chain vulnerabilities on many fronts.


This has already been done to a large extent.
viewtopic.php?t=403880&start=2688#p9244983

Not yet to an anywhere near a large enough extent to compensate for, for example Western Europe's sudden loss of access to Russian natural gas. Adequately making up for that shortfall, among many other sudden shortages, can't be done in a day. It will take a few more years at least. But, hopefully, it will be done, thereby slowing down the current shortage-driven inflation.

(To cyberdad and other readers: See also my posts near the bottom of the previous page here and here.)

EDIT: To Persephone: See also my reply to you here.


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27 Feb 2023, 10:03 am

Persephone29 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
but we know it's really hush money.


<citation needed>


You need a citation, I don't really care what you need. It's common knowledge that Hunter Biden was on several boards and received large amounts of funds (which he shared with his Dad) for subjects he knew nothing about. If Joe Biden stopped supporting Ukraine, we will learn the truth of why a crack head, not a past crack head, but a shaking, sh*****g, active addiction crack head was placed on a board and given huge sums of money.


So your sources are everybody knows and trust me bro.
Clearly we should listen to your unsubstantiated opinions because hey, if you're convinced it must be true.

I'm not saying that Hunter Biden's involvement looks good (just like Donnie Jr. and Ivanka's dealings didn't look very good), I'm just saying the idea that America (and the rest of the world) is being blackmailed because of Hunter Biden sounds batshit insane.

If you're going to insist that all of Europe, Australia, Canada, etc are on board because Joe Biden is being blackmailed in regards to Hunter, you either can show evidence or you can deal with having your unsubstantiated claims treated as such.


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27 Feb 2023, 1:02 pm

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I don't want for Ukraine to lose. But I cannot discount the effects felt by the everyday person just trying to survive and experiencing a difficult time doing so. This level of funding by the US is unsustainable. 30 + Million, Pshhhht. When you're on the hook for what is now roughly 115 Billion, come talk Pepe.


Am not wanting Ukraine to Lose but , this seems to a test for the best ground Warfare influencing equipment , the USA and NATO can muster vs Russias . And additional justification for the respective countries ability to prop up The Industrial Military Complex that already controls 2/3 rds of the US budget . Then you have to consider the amount of workers in these respective countries that are employed in Military or support for Industrial Military complexes in each one . Then the USA funneling billions into Ukraine . wounding the US economy .And even down to the common person whom wants nothing to do with War. The big winners will only be the Corporations that support Warlike things .Whom most likely cause of their size , controls the most Congressmen(Politicians) / Lobbyists ,It feels like a sickness perpetuating a sickness . All the while China plays the slow game . Saving resources and growing bigger And waiting for the right moment to made adjustments in its landmass by dominating Smaller Countries possibly.?
Am personally sick and tired of Propaganda being fed everyone on all sides of these issues. :skull:


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27 Feb 2023, 1:21 pm

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All the while China plays the slow game . Saving resources and growing bigger And waiting for the right moment to made adjustments in its landmass by dominating Smaller Countries possibly.?


China is sitting atop a demographic time bomb, if their ambitions are as the Anglosphere understands them, their ambitions are unrealistically ambitious.


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27 Feb 2023, 3:49 pm

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Big difference: In the case of Afghanistan and Iraq, alliances of mostly Western states were the invaders. On the other hand, in the case of Ukraine, the West is not the invader. .


ummm, If I recall Sadam took the oil fields of Kuwait so was accused of invading. The US used the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan to fend off the Russians in the same way they are using Zelensy and his Ukrainian army to fend off the Russians.



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27 Feb 2023, 3:53 pm

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Mona Pereth wrote:
Big difference: In the case of Afghanistan and Iraq, alliances of mostly Western states were the invaders. On the other hand, in the case of Ukraine, the West is not the invader. .


ummm, If I recall Sadam took the oil fields of Kuwait so was accused of invading. The US used the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan to fend off the Russians in the same way they are using Zelensy and his Ukrainian army to fend off the Russians.


So. Whats your point?



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27 Feb 2023, 3:55 pm

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Mona Pereth wrote:
Big difference: In the case of Afghanistan and Iraq, alliances of mostly Western states were the invaders. On the other hand, in the case of Ukraine, the West is not the invader. .


ummm, If I recall Sadam took the oil fields of Kuwait so was accused of invading. The US used the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan to fend off the Russians in the same way they are using Zelensy and his Ukrainian army to fend off the Russians.


Iraq invaded.
The USSR invaded.
Russia invaded.

What's your point?


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27 Feb 2023, 7:22 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
but we know it's really hush money.


<citation needed>


You need a citation, I don't really care what you need. It's common knowledge that Hunter Biden was on several boards and received large amounts of funds (which he shared with his Dad) for subjects he knew nothing about. If Joe Biden stopped supporting Ukraine, we will learn the truth of why a crack head, not a past crack head, but a shaking, sh*****g, active addiction crack head was placed on a board and given huge sums of money.


So your sources are everybody knows and trust me bro.
Clearly we should listen to your unsubstantiated opinions because hey, if you're convinced it must be true.

I'm not saying that Hunter Biden's involvement looks good (just like Donnie Jr. and Ivanka's dealings didn't look very good), I'm just saying the idea that America (and the rest of the world) is being blackmailed because of Hunter Biden sounds batshit insane.

If you're going to insist that all of Europe, Australia, Canada, etc are on board because Joe Biden is being blackmailed in regards to Hunter, you either can show evidence or you can deal with having your unsubstantiated claims treated as such.


I don't insist you believe a damn thing. Believe anything you want... I'll apply my beliefs at the voting polls and there will either be a majority that are with me, or against.


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27 Feb 2023, 8:09 pm

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Am not wanting Ukraine to Lose but , this seems to a test for the best ground Warfare influencing equipment , the USA and NATO can muster vs Russias . And additional justification for the respective countries ability to prop up The Industrial Military Complex that already controls 2/3 rds of the US budget . Then you have to consider the amount of workers in these respective countries that are employed in Military or support for Industrial Military complexes in each one . Then the USA funneling billions into Ukraine . wounding the US economy .And even down to the common person whom wants nothing to do with War. The big winners will only be the Corporations that support Warlike things .Whom most likely cause of their size , controls the most Congressmen(Politicians) / Lobbyists


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27 Feb 2023, 8:17 pm

^ and a country on the hook for 100 Billion is just plain weird. My God... what the actual f*** does this world think we're made of? The majority of US citizens are regular people, with regular jobs and regular hopes and dreams. Yet our government is acting as if we are a bottomless bank.


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27 Feb 2023, 8:24 pm

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Jakki wrote:
All the while China plays the slow game . Saving resources and growing bigger And waiting for the right moment to made adjustments in its landmass by dominating Smaller Countries possibly.?


China is sitting atop a demographic time bomb, if their ambitions are as the Anglosphere understands them, their ambitions are unrealistically ambitious.


I read that Amerrian Intelligence believes the CCP is being deterred by international support against pootin, and how difficult it has been to the invader.
(A land war is in theory much easier that an amphibian invasion.)

Supporting Ukraine seems to be reducing the threat of any invasion by the CCP against Taiwan.
The CCP has been talking about resolving the "Taiwan issue" by 2027.
That is in the process of being revised to a later date if the source is to be believed.



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27 Feb 2023, 8:28 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Big difference: In the case of Afghanistan and Iraq, alliances of mostly Western states were the invaders. On the other hand, in the case of Ukraine, the West is not the invader. .


ummm, If I recall Sadam took the oil fields of Kuwait so was accused of invading. The US used the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan to fend off the Russians in the same way they are using Zelensy and his Ukrainian army to fend off the Russians.


So. Whats your point?


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27 Feb 2023, 8:29 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Big difference: In the case of Afghanistan and Iraq, alliances of mostly Western states were the invaders. On the other hand, in the case of Ukraine, the West is not the invader. .


ummm, If I recall Sadam took the oil fields of Kuwait so was accused of invading. The US used the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan to fend off the Russians in the same way they are using Zelensy and his Ukrainian army to fend off the Russians.


Iraq invaded.
The USSR invaded.
Russia invaded.

What's your point?


This...