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04 Sep 2023, 9:53 pm

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A drone falling into my backyard would obviously have been made by someone.

A few microscopic metal spherules falling into my backyard would not.


So far
1. object is faster > all other objects entering our solar system
2. object is harder > all other objects floating around the sun
3. objects composed of rare metals in an alloy

If its an interstellar object, natural curiosity should obviously spur investigation into the source material sitting on the bottom of the Pacific ocean


It can be an interstellar object without being an alien craft. Proving it's from outside of the solar system doesn't amount to proving it was inhabited by, piloted by or built by an intelligent lifeform.


maybe...and maybe not.


No, not maybe/maybe not. The likelihood of it being a craft are infinitesimally smaller than that it's a natural object. The required proof to confirm that it's a craft is much more substantial.

Show me signatures of life and I'm sold. Show me some metal blobs and I'm not.


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04 Sep 2023, 10:53 pm

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Show me signatures of life and I'm sold. Show me some metal blobs and I'm not.


Its a hypothesis posed. Based on the object entering our solar system at a rate of speed > normal rocks then it could be a defunct spaceship which on entry into our atmosphere released the metal blobs

Ironically Loeb pointed out when he postulated the artificial origin of Oumuamua in 2016 literally 4 years later in 2029 an identical object did exactly the same thing and NASA said "oh that's an old rocket booster".



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05 Sep 2023, 3:38 am

Fnord wrote:
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Sure, the spherules MAY have interstellar origins -- as do all elements  except Hydrogen and Helium .  But to claim that they were artificially made by an intelligent extraterrestrial life-form is an extreme stretch of faith in one man's fantasy.  The only way to prove (beyond any reasonable doubt) that there was intelligence behind their manufacture would require the alleged manufacturer to step forward and support the claim.
Examination of the alloys + retrieval of larger samples from the site of the splash zone in the Pacific would likely also answer that question
Are you really all that ignorant of the fact that any alloy can be manufacturer right here on Earth?  Finding an unusual alloy would not prove extraterrestrial intelligence any more than finding bananas in a grocery store would prove the presence of monkeys in the produce section.
its a rare alloy, would you care to counter that with actual evidence Fnord?
"Rare" does not equal "Alien-Made".

The Golden Tarsier is rare, but its origins are the same as humanity's.


No, I'm pretty sure that Golden Tarsiers are aliens.


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05 Sep 2023, 5:09 pm

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Now, since several nations have been, and continue to, experiment with new aircraft, it's not a stretch to think that we'd be scanning the horizon, for enemy experimental aircraft. Claiming it's UFO research is technically not untrue, since an unknown enemy craft IS a "UFO" until it's properly identified.


But I'm not the one saying this. It's the US government that says this.

1945 - 2017 - UFOs don't exist. They are a figment of imagination bought on by weather phenomena (their words)
2017 - 2023 - UFOs exist. We don't know what the hell they are!! humans can't possibly have built them

The only viable angle to discount extraterrestrials or interdimensionals is that they are secret black projects and the UFO narrative is some type of psyops meant to keep the public ignorant to the trillions spent on projects conveniently placed under the national security umbrella.


And governments never lie, right?

Why is that the only viable angle? Cos you said so?

No more links to evidence, eh?



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05 Sep 2023, 8:05 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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Show me signatures of life and I'm sold. Show me some metal blobs and I'm not.


Its a hypothesis posed. Based on the object entering our solar system at a rate of speed > normal rocks then it could be a defunct spaceship which on entry into our atmosphere released the metal blobs

Ironically Loeb pointed out when he postulated the artificial origin of Oumuamua in 2016 literally 4 years later in 2020 an identical object did exactly the same thing and NASA said "oh that's an old rocket booster".



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05 Sep 2023, 8:08 pm

uncommondenominator wrote:
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Now, since several nations have been, and continue to, experiment with new aircraft, it's not a stretch to think that we'd be scanning the horizon, for enemy experimental aircraft. Claiming it's UFO research is technically not untrue, since an unknown enemy craft IS a "UFO" until it's properly identified.


But I'm not the one saying this. It's the US government that says this.

1945 - 2017 - UFOs don't exist. They are a figment of imagination bought on by weather phenomena (their words)
2017 - 2023 - UFOs exist. We don't know what the hell they are!! humans can't possibly have built them

The only viable angle to discount extraterrestrials or interdimensionals is that they are secret black projects and the UFO narrative is some type of psyops meant to keep the public ignorant to the trillions spent on projects conveniently placed under the national security umbrella.


And governments never lie, right?

Why is that the only viable angle? Cos you said so?

No more links to evidence, eh?


Governments do lie. But in this instance there's literally hundreds of thousands of reliable witnesses and experiencers who have can verify what the government is saying

There is a campaign aimed at besmirching whistleblowers like David Grusch and previously Luis Alizondo yet both of these men had very high levels of security clearance and were trusted with very high levels of confidence to keep you safe.



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06 Sep 2023, 6:25 am

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Governments do lie. But in this instance there's literally hundreds of thousands of reliable witnesses and experiencers who have can verify what the government is saying

There is a campaign aimed at besmirching whistleblowers like David Grusch and previously Luis Alizondo yet both of these men had very high levels of security clearance and were trusted with very high levels of confidence to keep you safe.


So governments do lie, but not THIS time!

What makes these witnesses reliable? Cos you said so?

So these "whistle blowers" have some sort of proof, right? Evidence? Something other than claims?



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07 Sep 2023, 9:05 pm

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What makes these witnesses reliable? Cos you said so??


Well for one thing I am one of them. my experience is > simply seeing shiny orbs in the sky....it also involved perceptual experiences that I know were real.

But yes, witnesses who are police, serving military, senior military, pilots, nuclear facility/vehicle commanders. People with high levels of security clearance, with security access all the way to pressing buttons on nuclear warheads. To simply wave one's hand and declare they are all unreliable is simply choosing to ignore their bona fides.