What are the odds of this being another William Freund?

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Wow, this is really bad. Seems this chunk of text lead to a lot of bannings thereafter:

Oct 19 06:16:40 Anon94_wp ?
Oct 19 06:16:43 ghost_wp hang on let me get the book mark....
Oct 19 06:17:12 ghost_wp http://www.lernu.net/
Oct 19 06:17:40 ecstasia thanks
Oct 19 06:17:50 ghost_wp and esperanto.net is pretty good too....
Oct 19 06:18:29 KateSmith Willfreund needs to come back here
Oct 19 06:18:58 ecstasia no he doesn't
Oct 19 06:19:12 ghost_wp willfreund?
Oct 19 06:19:21 KateSmith yes
Oct 19 06:19:29 ecstasia he was trying to extort money to stop him from killing himself
Oct 19 06:19:35 chalcedony dean
Oct 19 06:19:52 Anon94_wp thanks
Oct 19 06:19:56 chalcedony whichever nick.. always the same games
Oct 19 06:19:59 ghost_wp that's the first time I've ever heard that....
Oct 19 06:20:11 ecstasia he's trouble
Oct 19 06:20:14 Anon94_wp what is willfreund
Oct 19 06:20:31 ghost_wp apparently a troll member...
Oct 19 06:20:32 chalcedony old old autistic, institution raised
Oct 19 06:20:41 chalcedony he doesn't understand social rules
Oct 19 06:20:45 Anon94_wp what is a troll member
Oct 19 06:20:57 t3chstep old? the guy's 19
Oct 19 06:21:01 ecstasia he doesn't understand even the most basic stuff that most aspies already grasp
Oct 19 06:21:08 KateSmith at one time I thought willfreund was a nice person
Oct 19 06:21:11 chalcedony he can't help it, but he keeps on being himself
Oct 19 06:21:15 ghost_wp troll's are trouble...
Oct 19 06:21:21 Anon94_wp does he come in here?
Oct 19 06:21:30 chalcedony hate to spoil your illusions he's 50 or so ..older
Oct 19 06:21:42 t3chstep lying about his age?
Oct 19 06:21:42 chalcedony and don't go looking for him
Oct 19 06:21:55 chalcedony a LOT of people have suicided or come close to it by following Dean
Oct 19 06:22:10 chalcedony he lures people in
Oct 19 06:22:17 chalcedony and then destroys them emotionally
Oct 19 06:22:42 t3chstep ?
Oct 19 06:22:44 Anon94_wp You mean, this is a person who enters the chatroom and is an evil kook?
Oct 19 06:22:53 KateSmith okay I though willfreund was a nice person till willfreund
Oct 19 06:22:57 Anon94_wp a manipulative type?
Oct 19 06:22:57 chalcedony Anon94_wp: he's a poor sad old man with no sense.
Oct 19 06:23:01 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to ecstasia
Oct 19 06:23:06 chalcedony very manipulative
Oct 19 06:23:07 KateSmith joined the suicide chat
Oct 19 06:23:16 ghost_wp oh, the suicide promoter....
Oct 19 06:23:21 Anon94_wp there is a suicide chatroom?
Oct 19 06:23:24 ghost_wp we don't that crap here....
Oct 19 06:23:25 * ecstasia sets ban on *[email protected]
Oct 19 06:23:34 Anon94_wp I guess there really is an interest for everything.
Oct 19 06:23:36 ghost_wp need
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Oct 19 06:23:47 ecstasia i guess i'm just sick of his BS
Oct 19 06:23:57 chalcedony he's been around for years and years
Oct 19 06:23:59 * ecstasia removes channel operator status from ecstasia
Oct 19 06:24:09 chalcedony McD and other people used to try to help him, irl even
Oct 19 06:24:15 KateSmith sorry my mistake
Oct 19 06:24:16 chalcedony he disrespected them
Oct 19 06:24:27 chalcedony they finally gave up and tried to ban him
Oct 19 06:24:32 chalcedony he won't stay banned
Oct 19 06:24:36 ecstasia yeah i know
Oct 19 06:24:37 ecstasia :(
Oct 19 06:24:39 ghost_wp and that's why I don't post anymore....
Oct 19 06:24:45 ghost_wp just chat for me....
Oct 19 06:24:56 KateSmith :(
Oct 19 06:25:14 chalcedony he hangs out in depression channels
Oct 19 06:25:16 Anon94_wp well, I just went to tell someone about this cool chatroom
Oct 19 06:25:24 chalcedony neat
Oct 19 06:25:44 Anon94_wp so now I am back. I am supposed to be going to bed.
Oct 19 06:25:55 Anon94_wp I never like going to bed, but I do like sleep.
Oct 19 06:26:01 chalcedony nods
Oct 19 06:26:07 ghost_wp I'm an insomniac....
Oct 19 06:26:09 chalcedony the changing directions and getting up ..
Oct 19 06:26:11 ecstasia aww
Oct 19 06:26:17 KateSmith I tried before and did not succeed at it , and I am glad I did not succeed, even though life is difficult for me
Oct 19 06:26:26 chalcedony indeed KateSmith
Oct 19 06:26:51 KateSmith so I understand
Oct 19 06:26:53 t3chstep yeah, my insomnia problems are pretty bad right now too
Oct 19 06:27:04 ghost_wp yeah, it's almost 1 a.m. here...
Oct 19 06:27:12 Anon94_wp If I click on the names on the right, I can say something to an individual chat room member?
Oct 19 06:27:17 ecstasia yes
Oct 19 06:27:22 KateSmith and now I am off all my psychiatric drugs too
Oct 19 06:27:30 chalcedony wow KateSmith
Oct 19 06:27:34 chalcedony congratulations

Oct 19 07:26:53 * ghand ([email protected]) has joined #wrongplanet
Oct 19 07:26:58 ghand Ah i wonder if anyone gave me money
Oct 19 07:26:58 * KateSmith is now AWAY (Taking a break: goner to the bed).
Oct 19 07:27:00 ghand this is my day to die
Oct 19 07:27:03 * ghand is now known as willfreund
Oct 19 07:27:12 willfreund It sucks my lifes on hold since I cant access the forum, bummer
Oct 19 07:27:24 willfreund wait nevermind its back
Oct 19 07:27:40 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to ecstasia
Oct 19 07:27:46 * ecstasia sets ban on *!*@ip68-5-20-187.oc.oc.cox.net
Oct 19 07:27:51 * ecstasia has kicked willfreund from #WrongPlanet (ecstasia)
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Oct 19 07:35:57 gandoff hi all, says i need to register brb
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Oct 19 10:46:40 * gandoff ([email protected]) has joined #wrongplanet
Oct 19 10:46:44 gandoff anyone one?
Oct 19 10:46:59 Gerrit I'm here
Oct 19 10:47:16 Gerrit I seem to be the only one though
Oct 19 10:48:08 gandoff hey gerrit know anything about Psychiatric Units by chance?
Oct 19 10:48:17 Gerrit No, I don't.
Oct 19 10:48:22 gandoff darn
Oct 19 10:49:48 gandoff MY email is [email protected] I feel like i need to killmyself, want to admit myself, But alas google maps has 6 kinds of mental hospitals , Id like to figure out what kind allows you to get away from the stress off the world for a bit. any infor appriacianted I will leave thias on so f
Oct 19 10:49:54 gandoff feel free to private message me
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People,

As it is, we are worried about a witch hunt with WP. We are not going to do a witch hunt ourselves.

No one will be banned because they did not believe the WillFreund was going to commit such a brutal act. We need to calm down and collective breath. The site mods are working to make sure that those on the site did all they could have to prevent this (which I think we have as some members ever tried to find out where he lived to contact close relatives).

All this finger pointing and blaming ourselves and everyone else will not do us any good.

His second post or so was a suicide threat (in fact, I think he called it "Suicide Threat!"). I didn't take it seriously because the things he wrote about made me think he was complaining about a lack of money and a house and, in a sense, trying to extort the world into giving him what he wanted.

WillFreund bought a GUN. I think that was fair proof that he was serious. And desperate. He even mentioned the shot gun (which apparently he ended up using) and the local store he got it from and the shop owner and Will's guilt about using the innocent owner's gun.

But IMHO, despite any negative publicity, it is WP's duty to report what information we have to the proper authorities. I'm sure they're looking for any and all information they can get right now.

It wasn't AS that drove him to kill, though I'm sure the AS didn't help. He was suicidally and apparently homicidally depressed and angry at the world.

I just finished watching a segment about this on Fox News. They basically mentioned everything in the article on the first page. They also said the motive for the killings is unknown and there is no known connection between Freund and his victims. They didn't mention anything about AS.

I think the owner of WP should alert the relevent authorities of any information we know about Will Freund.

I hope all my talk about the Revolution over the last couple of months didn't put any ideas into his head!! ! . Then again I did say that if it were to occur, it would be a democratic consensus of the people, rather than a bloody killing spree.

You just don't know, though!! !! !

please rest assured that the Moderators are on the case. everything which needs to be done will be done.

Mockingbird is central control for all this, and is working on an anouncement/thread as we speak, to keep everyone up to date on developments. it will be in the general discussion forum. i'll post the link here as soon as she's finished writing it.

this is such a difficult situation for everyone involved. thank you to everyone, for dealing with it so well.

Vivi
(as Mod)

Exactly what I was wondering when I first read this thread earlier this morning. I didn't didn't want to fuel any paranoia, so I witheld the original post. However, If the media did find out that he was a member here, I was wondering what they'd make of this site, as well as the fact that he had AS.

Again, I would like to stress the fact that I don't want to instigate any pranoia, but the media does like to push sensastionalist stories about "People that are Differant" in order to boost their ratings.

On the other hand, I do regret that Willfreund felt compelled to do this, and feel bad for the affected families. At the same time, however, I cannot say that I feel guilt over the matter. Many people make idle threats, and to react as if every seemingly idle threat, or allusion thereof were indeed imminant would be at best paranoiac and irrational, as well as self defeating. -- Remember the moral to the tale of the Boy who Cried Wolf?

Last edited by Fogman on 30 Oct 2005, 3:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.

and let's hold the thought about the families involved - all those of you who pray, or whatever, let's think of Will's family, and the Smith family.

That's a good idea and count me in as one of those praying for the families affected.

Would any of you mind if I posted something in the prayer thread in the controversial forum?

I'm kind of at a loss for words at the moment... if I knew what to say that might be of any comfort, I would say it.

the prayer thread is fine, namiko.

Vivi
(as Mod)

Depends on how deep they look into things.

Murders in urban areas are a dime a dozen so the media won't put too much attention on this.

Article with Video here:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/29/neighb ... index.html

okay, folks - this is where we are at the moment. alex has spoken to the authorities, and shown them the site. that's seems to be it, as far as they are concerned, for the time being.

alex has also prepared a short statement for any press enquiries:

"It's a tragic incident. William was obviously very troubled, but I think its best to let his family and the family of those affected grieve in privacy".

any updates will be posted here, and not on any other thread. also, please post any questions here, so that everyone knows what's happening.

thank you for your patience.

Vivi
(as Mod)