Why arethe Israelis allowed to get away with such injustice?

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And this is the list of wars from the same source on your country, committed in the last 250 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... ted_States



Btw, have you read the "instruction manual"? >__>

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Civilised treatment of POWs is rather different. Even Guantanamo does not reach the levels of summary execution based on religion.



I oppose religious discrimination and fundamentalism, not just Muslim ones.



The Jewish and Christian men are not allowed to marry Muslims, so it follows that the purpose of such a law is that Muslim men can help themselves to any monotheist women they fancy, while keeping non-Muslim men and Muslim women off-limits to each other.




No more acceptable as a justification than Jewish claims its their Promised Land and hence they can kick anyone else out if they so please.




Land that was sold to the Zionists legitimately belongs to Israel. If you sell your land, you have no further claims.



The only major source of wealth in Saudi Arabia is oil and returns of investments funded by oil. They happened to be born on top of the world's largest oil reserves, the oil wealth is no merit of theirs whatsoever. The country is unable to produce even its own oil engineers (unlike plenty of Third World countries), and has some of the worst universities in the world. Dubai may be much more viable, but Saudi Arabia, Iraq an Iran are failures with oil and gas. These countries may get some money from pilgrims, pearls, dates, pistachios, etc, but it's all pocket change compared to oil.



Not surprised, given that the Taliban already rules part of Pakistan. I really wish India all the best.



Putting them under the control of governments with effective security services would bring stability. In the West, the children and grandchildren of refugees are citizens - would the 'Palestinians' born in Lebanon and elsewhere be so keen on 'returning' to Palestine if they were citizens, allowed to own property, take any jobs, etc in their countries of birth? of course, if they became integrated they would not be as useful as pawns against Israel (because they would have less reason to 'return' to Palestine), and it would make it harder to talk about 'Palestinian refugee camps' that are towns not camps, whose inhabitants are not Palestinians and are not refugees (they were born there).



If so, Israel is justified in seeking the destruction of Hezbollah by any means necessary. If an enemy that seeks your destruction cannot be negotiated with and cannot be deterred, the only thing left is its destruction.



The Arab states had the support of a superpower, the USSR, and their armies were still pathetic. I suspect that Arab armies, like Latin American ones, are trained to repress their own people rather than fight actual wars (as amply demonstrated in the Falklands War).

Dox47, you are a highly intellectual person, and I respect your view, although I can't agree with a few things. Yes, Israel does exist, and we want it out. It does not mean we dispute the Jewish right to settle in Palestine...even a secular compromise between the Jews and Arabs (return of Palestinians refugees, abolition of the "right of return" law, abolishment of all Jewish references to the state, ie, renaming the nation to a secular name such as "Republic of Jerusalem) would be accepted. Ie, we are sick of being discriminated. The main reasons Muslims are fighting is due to discrimination.

Yes, there's a saying in Spanish, 'Cría cuervos y te sacarán los ojos' - 'Raise crows and they will gouge your eyes out.' The Pakistani military seems to have learned nothing from this...



Surely the members of Al Qaeda, the Taliban, etc bear some responsibility for their own actions, as does the 20% of Saudi Arabia and 12% of Pakistan that supports them?



Yes, the Zionists have employed terrorism - it does not follow that this absolves everybody else of guilt for their own acts of terrorism.

The only discrimination is Israel not being a muslim state, and the Jewish people not being submissive to muslims, and not paying tribute to the muslims.
The lands were given to the Jewish people as part of the surrender of what was the ottoman empire prior to WWII. Those terms of surrender are unacceptable according to the muslim instruction manual.

I don't think you're being entirely honest here, since a few posts back you said that you wanted Palestine returned and that the Jews should have to pay a tax. Why do the Jews not have a right to have their own state? There are many Islamic states in the region with various degrees of Koranic law, so why are the Jews not allowed their homeland? If discrimination is your problem, you should be in favor of secular law everywhere, as that would be the most fair, as opposed to your postings in favor of Sharia law. As has been pointed out, it's not as if the land in Israel itself is anything special, it's the same desert that can be found throughout the middle east. If the other Arab nations really cared about the Palestinians they could have easily given them a new homeland, it's not as if they don't have the space, but they are more politically useful as wretched refugees in camps. This is exactly like Saddam deliberately starving his own people for political reasons while living the good life on his illicit oil revenues, it's all an ugly political game, and in this case the poker chips are the Palestinians. It's been over fifty years, what exactly would they be returning to? Give them a new home, and let them get on with their lives.

I said that's what Muslims want. That's what the Quran prescribes. A compromise will also be accepted, in the secular sense, similar to the compromise the Maronites, Sunnis, and Shi'as have in Lebanon.

Jerusalem is the third holiest city in Islam. That's why Muslims want to be in control of Jerusalem.

Yes, I do believe the Jews have every right to settle in Jerusalem. However, they had no right to steal homes from the Palestinians. Yes, true, a lot of land was sold to them, but many homes were also forcibly taken. The Palestinians are currently the world's largest refugee group. Do they also not have a right to return to their homes?

"So let me get this right, We sit down with Ahmadinejad and he says, 'We're gonna wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. And we say, 'Oh no you're not.'"

Yes, but who cares? Jerusalem is the holy land of many other religious groups. Should Muslims alone be in control of these territories? Keep it autonomous. There's no khilafa. Muslims should move on.

That, my friend, is not possible. You know that. ^^

Actually, that's the literal translation, what he meant was "to change the regime".

The Zionists would experience what they've been doing to the Palestinians for those decades...oh wait that "wipe off Israel from the map" quote Ahmeinijad pulled wasn't completely correct.....though if he wanted to NUKE Israel I wouldn't blame him.

Why? What does Iran have to do with Israel? Just a publicity stunt by the shias who want to get arabs on their side.

The main point of this whould not be missed. The same group of people profit from all this s**t. The same group who made profits from the American Civil War, the Cold war, the world wars, the wars and poverty in Africa and who profit from driving most of the world governments into a state of never ending debt, the same group of people who had a hand in creating Israel. THE GLOBAL B(/W)ANKERS! They fund ALL sides, that's what is so great (in an evil way) about their plan. They lend money to all sides to make their weapons, to fund their space/arms/science races and all the other worthless s**t, knowing they will make it all back (and more) in interest. The also fund 'terror groups', such as the Nazis and Bolsheviks for example, to make sure the world is in a constant state of conflict, so more weapons have to be made and wars have to be fought - and more debts (in other words, profits) can be made. They are the real terrorists!

Jerusalem is as holy to the Shi'a as it is to the Sunnis and Ibadis.



You are the most intellectual person who has posted in this discussion.

Khan Sama, don't be overly impressed by conspiracy theorists.

So what? It's also holy for Christians (the Crusades, anyone?) and for Jews.



True, and those that lost property to Israel deserve compensation.



To call those that were born in Lebanon, etc, often of parents that were themselves born outside Palestine, 'refugees' is objectively a lie, and most of the inhabitants of the 'Palestinian refugee camps' (which are really towns, not camps) in the region fit into this category. That Arab states maintain this hereditary 'refugee' status is a blatant form of apartheid - in the West, those born of legally recognised refugees are citizens, period, regardless of their ethnicity or religion. The 'refugee camps' are not refugee camps at all, they are ghettoes where the Arab states dump their minorities of Palestinian descent, to be used as pawns in their own geopolitical games against Israel.