Santa Claus kills a bunch of people and burns house

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30 Dec 2008, 8:15 am

i find absurd humour in things like that.

i once saw a movie where some very brutal bank robbers did a heist while wearing clown masks.
i completely broke up into laughter.
their voices were so brutal..eg:" get the "f**kin' till open sl*t or you'll be in heaven in 10 seconds!! ! MOVE!! !"
but the face saying it was a happy daffy clown that nt kids would crawl all over.
it was so hilarious (but it was not a supposed to be a funny movie).

(for australians)--
there was a "personality" called "humphrey bear" that was a morning show for little kids and it had a person in a silly bear outfit who never said a word but did silly dances. there was a woman who spoke and humphrey just reacted with gestures.
he was so clean and sanitized and he was a staple of childrens television.

then one day i saw on the news that "humphrey" was arrested in a shopping center for inappropriate dealings with children. i saw the footage of that familiar humphrey bear we all knew so well being cuffed and frog marched out of the shopping center by police.
he resisted outside (he was still in the bear outfit) and was "hog-tied" and bundled into a paddy wagon (lout cart) and i almost choked. i could not regain my breath from paroxysmal laughter for ages after witnessing that story.
i am sorry for the children i guess. i did not think of that at the time.

a few nights ago i dreamed of a police chase with an icecream van.
in australia, we have pink vans that sell icecream and they drive slowly around residential streets and they have childrens type of songs songs playing from pipes attached to bellows that are driven by the axles. the faster the van drives, the faster the song plays.
i dreamed that the police were chasing one of those trucks, and the song was playing extremely fast. as the speed went higher, the song started to skip beats because cogs were slipping in the axle mechanism of the pipes playing the tune.
eventually it sounded like a ragged and damaged and super fast rendition of that familiar ice cream van song.
it was so funny i woke up and i was annoyed that i awoke.
i missed the rest of that show.

so the santa thing made me laugh when i first heard it (i was unfortunately in company), but now i see that that story is not funny at all like the other funny ones i mentioned.
it is a sick person that went down in a santa suit and is not what i consider amusing.



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30 Dec 2008, 8:45 am

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I think that to openly make jokes about the cruel murder of a family including a child is wrong.

I have worked in places where black humour has been used as a safety valve, it is the case that the nasty horror story can end up taking on a life of its own and ending up being the subject of jokes. But a limit exists to what is acceptable; one of the limits is that it is best that outsiders never get told about the jokes or the tales of horror. Also the joke which demeans a young child whose was killed by a monster is not a joke, it is just nasty.

Some people will always want to push the limits of what is acceptable, I think that in the interests of good taste that some jokes and some art should never be made. For instance the picture of Myra Hindley (the most unpopular woman in the UK who killed children for sexual gratification) was quite wrongly displayed in public. I hold the view that the painting should never have been painted or displayed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensation_exhibition

In today’s internet world information can so freely be swapped, I think that out of respect to the dead and their friends and families that we should refrain from making any jokes about their misfortune. Always think how you would like it if the death of your best friend was used as entertainment. I know that the aspie or autie is oftein thought of as being unfeeling, I hold the view that this is not true. The aspie or autie often has trouble communicating their feelings to others which is a different matter, we should not use bad taste humour which will only help the cause of those opposed to neurodiversity.


When Hindley herself thinks its tasteless, you have to wonder about how appropriate it is to show the picture.


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30 Dec 2008, 9:27 am

b9 wrote:
i find absurd humour in things like that.

i once saw a movie where some very brutal bank robbers did a heist while wearing clown masks.
i completely broke up into laughter.
their voices were so brutal..eg:" get the "f**kin' till open sl*t or you'll be in heaven in 10 seconds!! ! MOVE!! !"
but the face saying it was a happy daffy clown that nt kids would crawl all over.
it was so hilarious (but it was not a supposed to be a funny movie).

(for australians)--
there was a "personality" called "humphrey bear" that was a morning show for little kids and it had a person in a silly bear outfit who never said a word but did silly dances. there was a woman who spoke and humphrey just reacted with gestures.
he was so clean and sanitized and he was a staple of childrens television.

then one day i saw on the news that "humphrey" was arrested in a shopping center for inappropriate dealings with children. i saw the footage of that familiar humphrey bear we all knew so well being cuffed and frog marched out of the shopping center by police.
he resisted outside (he was still in the bear outfit) and was "hog-tied" and bundled into a paddy wagon (lout cart) and i almost choked. i could not regain my breath from paroxysmal laughter for ages after witnessing that story.
i am sorry for the children i guess. i did not think of that at the time.

a few nights ago i dreamed of a police chase with an icecream van.
in australia, we have pink vans that sell icecream and they drive slowly around residential streets and they have childrens type of songs songs playing from pipes attached to bellows that are driven by the axles. the faster the van drives, the faster the song plays.
i dreamed that the police were chasing one of those trucks, and the song was playing extremely fast. as the speed went higher, the song started to skip beats because cogs were slipping in the axle mechanism of the pipes playing the tune.
eventually it sounded like a ragged and damaged and super fast rendition of that familiar ice cream van song.
it was so funny i woke up and i was annoyed that i awoke.
i missed the rest of that show.

so the santa thing made me laugh when i first heard it (i was unfortunately in company), but now i see that that story is not funny at all like the other funny ones i mentioned.
it is a sick person that went down in a santa suit and is not what i consider amusing.


Humphrey didn't kill anyone, did he?



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30 Dec 2008, 9:44 am

no he did not.
he was cuddling kids in a shopping mall and talking to them when their parents were not present.

there was suspicion about him because he broke the rules and talked to the kids without adult witnesses.

i am not aware of any charges against him that were proven. it would have been national news if he really had molested anyone.
i think he was just stripped of his suit (and identity) and he should have realized that no child is to be talked to without parents in attendance.
there was no serious crime related to humphrey.



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30 Dec 2008, 9:50 am

Unless he touched a child innapropriately, it doesn't sound like Humphrey did anything criminal. He might have made things worse for himself just by resisting arrest. It would be an awful shame if Humphrey's intentions were innocent and he goes to jail nonetheless ...

Yeah, I give him the benefit of the doubt.



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30 Dec 2008, 9:53 am

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...there was suspicion about him because he broke the rules and talked to the kids without adult witnesses..

I should think so! Anyone talking to kids without adult witnesses, and a signed declaration of legal indemnity from their parents, is obviously a raving pervert. God only knows what could have happened...



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30 Dec 2008, 9:59 am

But wasn't this in a shopping-center, supposedly with lots of people milling around? It would have been a different story if Humphrey had lured a child away from the crowd to a secluded area ... that would have looked much more sinister.

If I'm a little Australian kid in a mall and a guy in bear-suit is talking to me, all I have to is yell for help if things go wrong.



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30 Dec 2008, 10:17 am

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I should think so! Anyone talking to kids without adult witnesses, and a signed declaration of legal indemnity from their parents, is obviously a raving pervert. God only knows what could have happened...


you sound like a paranoid person..
i also agree that i will not engage in conversation with unfamiliar children...except if they are in trouble. if they need me to help i will.

i do not imagine dirty things when i am told an adult spoke to a child without supervision.

unless the child complains, then i am easily relaxed about it.



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30 Dec 2008, 10:19 am

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30 Dec 2008, 10:20 am

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and his ex's divorce attorney was also a target before he got those burns.


You mean on top of everything else this guy failed to kill the bloodsucker? Damned incompetent psychopaths...


I probably shouldn't have laughed at that...


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30 Dec 2008, 10:36 am

I'd hesitate to call this temporary insanity, because it was clearly premeditated.



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30 Dec 2008, 12:29 pm

It's one thing to laugh about whatever you want privately among your friends - they probably understand your sense of humor and your intentions.

This is a VERY public place, viewable by anyone, where what you write is recorded for at least several years and comes up on Google searches. Identity is really only partially concealed here, depending in part on how much information you give out about yourself. You also have the option of reading and rereading what you have written before hitting "Post".

Just a few things to consider. Publicly joking in text about horrific, sadistic acts has the potential to hurt people, and it can hurt your reputation as well - maybe long after you've made such comments.

As my professors in my online degree program always say, "Jokes tend not to come across as intended in print, especially when read by people you have not gotten to know in person first."



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30 Dec 2008, 3:00 pm

b9 wrote:
ascan wrote:
I should think so! Anyone talking to kids without adult witnesses, and a signed declaration of legal indemnity from their parents, is obviously a raving pervert. God only knows what could have happened...


you sound like a paranoid person...

No, just someone with a sense of humour.



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30 Dec 2008, 4:40 pm

It's not absurd humor, it's just sophomoric. As some people have pointed out here, the psychopathic Santa Claus thing isn't even original, or clever. So why vindicate this guy's lame attempt to make humour of his murderous actions? The real biting irony here is that his own attempt at irony ended up being his downfall. He set himself on fire and suffered horrible burns all over his body, which drove him to suicide. The guy was a f**k-up who failed at everything he tried, right up to the end. He even rigged his car with a booby trap before he died. It detonated and harmed no one; it was completely impotent. Even in death he was a failure. It's just too bad he had to take nine innocent people down with him.


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30 Dec 2008, 5:19 pm

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You mean on top of everything else this guy failed to kill the bloodsucker? Damned incompetent psychopaths...


Not funny.


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Dox47 wrote:
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and his ex's divorce attorney was also a target before he got those burns.


You mean on top of everything else this guy failed to kill the bloodsucker? Damned incompetent psychopaths...


I probably shouldn't have laughed at that...


I made someone else laugh guiltily and I offended Slowmutant (not that that's hard) with one throw-away joke? That's like a double stamp of approval, nothing like a negative endorsement to keep me on target.


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30 Dec 2008, 5:49 pm

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I think that to openly make jokes about the cruel murder of a family including a child is wrong.


So far, the only "joke" told in this thread has been by me, and it makes fun of the incompetence of the killer. I happen to think that he is fair game, since he definitely falls into the "dumb crooks" category, a time honored subject for humor. Most mentions of stupid criminals don't get into such serious crimes as multiple murder, but if you view the crook as separate from his crime, it is easy to laugh at his foolishness.

Woodpecker wrote:
I have worked in places where black humour has been used as a safety valve, it is the case that the nasty horror story can end up taking on a life of its own and ending up being the subject of jokes. But a limit exists to what is acceptable; one of the limits is that it is best that outsiders never get told about the jokes or the tales of horror. Also the joke which demeans a young child whose was killed by a monster is not a joke, it is just nasty.


I have yet to see any jokes demeaning the children or any of the victims, and I'm certainly not going to start. It wouldn't be hard to make some tasteless jokes about how naughty the family must have been or something to that effect, but I'm not in the business of making that kind of joke. What I've been engaged in here is defending the right to pursue humor as one sees fit, not being browbeaten by the disapproving attitudes of others, especially on the internet. I could easily have walked away and kept my feelings to myself, but I'd much rather stand my ground and put my ideas to the test, maybe change some opinions in the process.

Woodpecker wrote:
Some people will always want to push the limits of what is acceptable, I think that in the interests of good taste that some jokes and some art should never be made. For instance the picture of Myra Hindley (the most unpopular woman in the UK who killed children for sexual gratification) was quite wrongly displayed in public. I hold the view that the painting should never have been painted or displayed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensation_exhibition


Very slippery slope you're on there, sounds an awful lot like prior restraint. Like I keep coming back to, no one has the right to go through life without being offended, trying to make it so inevitably leads to governments like the Taliban where offending the sensibilities of those in power could get you executed, or worse. If you don't like a painting, don't go see it, I don't see that as an unreasonable system. What is unreasonable is for someone to not like a painting (or anything, for that matter), and decide that no one gets to see it, because they have made the judgment on what is and isn't ok for everyone.

Woodpecker wrote:
In today’s internet world information can so freely be swapped, I think that out of respect to the dead and their friends and families that we should refrain from making any jokes about their misfortune. Always think how you would like it if the death of your best friend was used as entertainment. I know that the aspie or autie is oftein thought of as being unfeeling, I hold the view that this is not true. The aspie or autie often has trouble communicating their feelings to others which is a different matter, we should not use bad taste humour which will only help the cause of those opposed to neurodiversity.


No jokes about the misfortune of others? That would bring about the end of humor as we know it, a far greater tragedy than any of the events being made fun of.

As to AS being linked to tasteless humor, I hardly think that with competition from the /b/tards, SomethingAwful, Encyclopedia Dramatica, etc that anyone would start pointing any fingers at us as promoting sick jokes. The true armpit of the internet is NT, even going so far as to mock us directly, so I can't really see this as some sort of "wedge" issue standing in the way of neurodiversity.

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When Hindley herself thinks its tasteless, you have to wonder about how appropriate it is to show the picture.


I would argue that perhaps the moral judgments of a serial murderess might not be the yardstick one should go by. A portrait of a child killer made up of child's handprints has a poignancy that even an art neophyte such as myself can see, and it precisely for the emotional effect that such a piece should be shown. Like I often say, people have many rights, but not being offended is not one of them.


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