god bless you... what do you mean i'm fired?

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Hardly erroneus.
I said I wouldn't post to you again, Macbeth, but you have gotten the issue so bizzarely, perversly wrong that I cannot simply ignore it.
Once again - read the article!
...or do you believe Christians ought simply to be exempt from modern social practices and practical rules for effective operation of a potentially liable field?

Grow up, please. People in the real world cannot afford to give concessions to everybody with a different opinion. You may think that watching oh-so-many TV dramas, and growing up in a "western" environment gives you some special insight into the functions of a dynamic and likely multi-cultural - as I cannot think of such a place rejecting patients on a cultural bias - environment, with every potential to become a volatile environment with the involvement of diverse conflicting views, cannot take the risk of egniting that potential situation through even an apparently minor oversight!

Have you even travelled beyond your home city?
Have you actually been to other countries? Been immersed in another culture?
...if so, did you do it with that irritating, smug, condescending and subconscious "western" perspective?
It's human nature to conflict with alien ideas.
The last thing an environment where there is the possibility of conflicting ideas needs is an employee who does not maintain an (even superficial) "neutral" position.

I don't agree Ishmael, though I do like reading your counter-arguments

No. Obviously I've never travelled further than the next village, they're all foreigners over there. Everyone foreign is a wrong 'un and not to be trusted. I've never been abroad, and dont even know anybody black, because I live in the 1890s. Shut the f**k up and try reading my posts a little closer, instead of spouting poorly-thought out aspersions against my maturity, knowledge, experience and intelligence. Wasn't that the credo? Attack the argument, not the person? Or are you hellbent on devolving this thread into a tirade of abuse until it gets locked? Because thats where its going, son. Or you could keep your insults to yourself and keep your mind on the point.

This has nothing to do with your piss-poor and wildly inaccurate analysis of my provinciality, or lack of knowledge of other cultures, or any of the other crap you spout. Surprisingly, my knowledge of matters in the world goes beyond watching Casualty on saturday nights (as it happens, I dont.) Its got nothing to do with Christians seeking special rules and preferences. I would be equally offended if a Sikh (or whatever) nurse had to go through similar. And not only have I read the articke, I've been following the story in a number of national newspapers and on a variety of news programs and channels here, where it has been broadly covered. I have a sneaking suspicion that I might even know more about this subject and circumstance than you do, given that I live in the nation where the story originated. I have a pile of newspapers less than a foot from where I sit, each with articles pertaining to this case, because it happens to have been in the news quite a lot recently. Do you think its possible that I might have a slightly broader knowledge of the case than you do? Oh, and lets not forget that I have been a patient of the NHS many times. I know, schooled with, am well acquainted with, and have even dated NHS staff on more than one occassion. I live less than a hundred yards from an NHS hospital, and see almost daily news reports about the NHS. I have had three children born under the auspices of the NHS, and close family members have been treated, lived, and died under NHS care. I think that I can consider myself to be slightly more familiar with the organisation than a distant colonial cousin. Just a little bit, perhaps.

I'm getting sick or repeating myself here. Every time someone posts, theyre ignoring the basic parts of the problem: that this nurse has at no point done anything that endangers her patients, in any way. Her offer was OF NO DETRIMENT AT ALL, yet some people repeatedly insist that there is some element of risk here, as if these people are somehow dangerous. It may come as some surprise, but THEY ARE NOT. End of story.

So, you honestly admit being a middle-class observer with superficial connections to the events - by mere proximity?
So, you have not had experience with alien cultures?
So, you gain your insights into this - not from personally interpreted political and philosophical arguments, but from newsprint and regional media?
That's what we like to call "too close to see the light".

Oh, incidentally - never make the mistake of calling me a "colonial" ever again.
Being a "colonial", as you put it, is by far better than being a low-class peasant, dragged along for the ride by your masters!
Whilst my family was founding nations; yours was likely begging for scraps!

How's that, peasant?
Still want to try and lord it out over "colonials"? No?
Wouldn't think so, given our higher rate of economic and social growth that will, inevitably, leave you peasants, "Ah fink", well and truly in the dust?
Yeah? Congratulations, as*hole, you're learning!!

Calling an Australian "colonial" is about the equivalent of calling an African-American "n****r".

But, boy oh boy, isn't it fun to throw archaic insults of our ancestors back and forth across keyboards?

Ape; say it to my face, or don't say it at all.
"Peasant" doesn't even begin to cover the justifiable response to "colonial", filthy beggar scum!

LEARN TO READ, COLONIAL.

Do I have to say it in big letters for you? YES I have travelled abroad quite widely, and I am more than familiar with various cultures, by their peoples and by experience. What part of these things do you fsil to understand? I have proximity to these events, and I have access to more information about them than you do. Ergo, I am able to draw more accurate and better informed conclusions about such events than you. Its very simple. I fail to see how you are missing these points so badly. So i am prevented from using local sources to make these conclusions? And you, in your far away, distant, burning land, somehow manage to be more intimately knowledgeable about an event transpiring ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD because you claim a philosophy? But of course, someone you know NOTHING ABOUT must by default be some form of peasant stock, obviously. Despite having no knowledge of my lineage at all, you can definitely say that I am certainly a peasant. OK....

But it seems that I have isolated the crux of the problem you have with Christianity in medicine.. you are incredibly easy to offend. Just a single word throws you into paroxysms of outrage and abuse, and claims of righteous indignation. One word. Colonial.

Oh no I said it again. Colonial. Because you were born and raised in a nation that was founded as a Colony. A Colonised land. Nothing more. I MIGHT be of peasant stock, perhaps.. but you are DEFINITELY of Colonial stock. Mine is fact, yours is conjecture. Note well the difference then stfu before you get this locked as well.

So it doesn't surprise me that you are so outraged by someone's simple offer of prayer. Its a shame I'm not a Christian, because I could probably cause an aneurysm by offering to pray for you now. Any Christians care to take up that gauntlet?

For that matter. ignoring our angry Colonial friend, and on topic.. does anyone Christian have a viewpoint on this situation? How do YOU feel about being told that your religion is verboten? Do you feel discriminated against by this policy of apparent "equality" and "diversity".. so diverse that you are forbidden from even mentioning your faith? Is the very name "equality and diversity" in direct contradiction to the actions of NHS bosses?

Praying on behalf of another person is not "pushing" your religion on them. There's a world of difference between intercessory prayer and evangelism. An intercessory prayer need not even be done in the presence of the person for whom it is intended.

Hey, peasant f**k! We federated in 1901, and signed the Australia act in 1968!
I, for one, was NOT born in a "colony". You say the word "colonial" again, you impoverished beggar peasant f**k, go back to drinking your warm beer, making racist slurs against Indians, bitching about the slightest change in the weather, being generally pathetic at sporting events and pretty much regarded as ugly, pasty white chaps with shocking teeth!

Incidentally, that "burning" comment is particularly hideous.
You realize 300 people just died, and about a dozen towns were completely destroyed in bushfires, peasant f**k?
Contratulations, you cocksucking, proud, imperialist!
You've just made fun of 300 "burning" victims' families!
Hey, know what? f**k YOU!!
It's NOT FUNNY to make fun of victims of a disaster, you prick!

By the by; we DO have seasons here, inbred peasant f****r.
But, of course, your're to busy getting offended for a religion you claim you're not even a part of, and driving from one end of your tiny little islet to the next in one day to notice, huh?

Oh, I'm sure the Vics'd just LOVE you, peasant.

Mods, now would be a good time to lock the thread.

Either way i;d feel scared and worried. I'd be very uncomfortable.

I have been trying to avoid sinking into a tirade of abuse, as this thread is a decent one, with a valid subject. I would rather it were not locked, just because Ishmael apparently cannot control his temper.

I've raised several valid points about this subject, and think it would be nice if they were addressed in a reasonable and calm manner. Then maybe we could have a decent debate about the subject. Pretty much the point of the forum in fact. Ishmael can sit in his corner and be Mr Angry Offended as much as he likes, but I would prefer it if he kept the abuse down to a minimum. That way this thread might actually last five minutes. Of course, this relies on him having an actual counter-argument, rather than babbling mean-spirited shite.

Oh.. and I used Burning because its HOT there.. burning desert.. a recognised and long standing description of places that are hot. Try and keep some sort of focus eh?

Colonial.

Oh. This is happening *again*??

anyway. My view is that they shouldn't be overly open about it. It isn't a place for religion. If you say such things, like the one woman did, it could be very scary.

Surely you would feel uncomfortable/scared simply because you were about to be operated on? That on its own is nerve-wracking.

Yes, but if she asked to pray for me, i'd get it into my head that I wasn't going to make it, and that's why she'd be praying. It would make me feel even more scared.

An understandable illogical logic. Much like when I say "Take Care" as a farewell at work, some say they worry that I know something they don't. I see your point, but does that make what she said really "offensive", or contradictory to "equality and diversity", or merely a misunderstanding on your part of her intent? Is it a offence to be misunderstood?

No. It wasn't offensive, or contradictory to "equality and diversity". She shouldn't have been fired either.

As long as you're fit and healthy, no priest will offer you the Last Rights. They are for people who are about to die. And even if you were not long for this world, a priest saying the Last Rights at your bedside can't hurt. That's the thing about prayer-- it may not work but it certainly can't hurt.