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09 Apr 2020, 9:37 am

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I have a feeling that being on a cruse ship is not going to be very popular for a long time to come after the crisis.
Lately, the people going on cruises (at least from the Port of Los Angeles) seem to be either honeymooners or retirees.  This according to a friend who works for one of the cruise lines.



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09 Apr 2020, 9:45 am

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I have a feeling that being on a cruse ship is not going to be very popular for a long time to come after the crisis.
Lately, the people going on cruises (at least from the Port of Los Angeles) seem to be either honeymooners or retirees.  This according to a friend who works for one of the cruise lines.


It's hard for me to believe first that anyone is going on a cruise right now and second, that cruise ships are even allowed to operate. Personally I think it's poor judgement based on the level of risk.



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09 Apr 2020, 10:05 am

Magna wrote:
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I have a feeling that being on a cruse ship is not going to be very popular for a long time to come after the crisis.
Lately, the people going on cruises (at least from the Port of Los Angeles) seem to be either honeymooners or retirees.  This according to a friend who works for one of the cruise lines.


It's hard for me to believe first that anyone is going on a cruise right now and second, that cruise ships are even allowed to operate. Personally I think it's poor judgement based on the level of risk.


I couldn't agree more.



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09 Apr 2020, 10:07 am

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I have a feeling that being on a cruse ship is not going to be very popular for a long time to come after the crisis.
Lately, the people going on cruises (at least from the Port of Los Angeles) seem to be either honeymooners or retirees.  This according to a friend who works for one of the cruise lines.
It's hard for me to believe first that anyone is going on a cruise right now and second, that cruise ships are even allowed to operate. Personally I think it's poor judgement based on the level of risk.
I couldn't agree more.
Yeah, that shoulda been in the past tense ... come to think of it, I haven't spoke to that friend in about 2 months ... I'd better check in ...



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09 Apr 2020, 10:07 am

Based on what I just heard on the morning news, it is been determined that Washington State has flattened the curve.



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09 Apr 2020, 10:10 am

Fauci: 'Looks like' US deaths will be lower than original projection

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Anthony Fauci said Wednesday morning that he thinks the number of U.S. deaths from coronavirus will end up being less than the original projection of 100,000 to 200,000.

Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease expert, attributed the drop to the success of social distancing measures that have directed people to stay home and closed many businesses.

“Although one of the original models projected 100- to 200,000 deaths, as we're getting more data and seeing the positive effect of mitigation, those numbers are going to be downgraded,” Fauci said on Fox News. “I don't know exactly what the numbers are going to be, but right now it looks like it's going to be less than the original projection.”

By the end of March, the White House was projecting 100,000 to 240,000 deaths as America's best-case scenario for the pandemic.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield made similar comments on Tuesday, saying he expected the number of deaths to be “much lower” than what was predicted by the models.

A closely watched University of Washington model is now projecting about 60,000 deaths in the U.S.

Despite some hopeful signs, Fauci emphasized that now is not the time to ease up on social distancing measures, the best way to keep improving the outlook.

“We're going to start to see the beginning of a turnaround, so we need to keep pushing on the mitigation strategies because there's no doubt that that's having a positive impact,” he said.

“Now's not the time to pull back at all,” he added. “It's a time to intensify.”



‘I Don’t Think We Should Ever Shake Hands Again.’ Dr. Fauci Says Coronavirus Should Change Some Behaviors for Good
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The coronavirus will be the end of the handshake as we know it, if Dr. Anthony Fauci has his way.

The director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, one of the leading experts in the fight against COVID-19 the U.S., told the Wall Street Journal podcast on Tuesday that when the country begins to loosen lockdown restrictions, some behaviors must change.

“When you gradually come back, you don’t jump into it with both feet,” Fauci told podcast host Kate Linebaugh on The Journal, talking about what life might look like when it eventually starts returning to normal. “You say, what are the things you could still do and still approach normal? One of them is absolute compulsive hand-washing. The other is you don’t ever shake anybody’s hands.”

“I don’t think we should ever shake hands ever again, to be honest with you. Not only would it be good to prevent coronavirus disease; it probably would decrease instances of influenza dramatically in this country,” he later added.

When asked when strict social distancing measures could be lifted Fauci said: “It isn’t like a light switch on and off, it’s a gradual pulling back on certain of the restrictions and to try and get society a bit back to normal.”

Fauci said that it might be necessary to re-evaluate the national social distancing measures that President Donald Trump has said will be in place until April 30, depending on the trajectory of the virus, but cautioned that the infrastructure to rapidly identify cases, trace contacts and isolate people needed to be in place before easing restrictions.

If you’re even going to consider a relaxation of this stringent physical separation, you absolutely have to have in place the capability,” he said. “That means easy testing, widely available, the people committed to doing the identification, isolation and contact tracing, the facilities to isolate people.”

Governments at a state at national level are rushing to get those capabilities in place, he said.

But Fauci said that by the end of April, he hopes to begin to see things normalizing: “We hope that by the end of this 30 day extension that we will start to see the light at the end of the tunnel where we can say we’re pretty confident that we can gradually start approaching some degree of normality.”


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09 Apr 2020, 10:20 am

JimmyM mentioned baby chicks being bought up.Its happening at the hatcheries in MO.I was going to get a few new ones for my flock.I might need to get a move on before they are all spoke for.
Prepare for the great salmonella outbreak.All those kids handling chicks.
I hope people aren’t impulse purchasing the chicks.I raise poultry and they take some care at first.
Heat lamps etc..
The family cat and dog might also be happy to see those baby chicks.
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09 Apr 2020, 10:26 am

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‘I Don’t Think We Should Ever Shake Hands Again.’ Dr. Fauci Says Coronavirus Should Change Some Behaviors for Good
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The coronavirus will be the end of the handshake as we know it, if Dr. Anthony Fauci has his way.

The director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, one of the leading experts in the fight against COVID-19 the U.S., told the Wall Street Journal podcast on Tuesday that when the country begins to loosen lockdown restrictions, some behaviors must change.

“When you gradually come back, you don’t jump into it with both feet,” Fauci told podcast host Kate Linebaugh on The Journal, talking about what life might look like when it eventually starts returning to normal. “You say, what are the things you could still do and still approach normal? One of them is absolute compulsive hand-washing. The other is you don’t ever shake anybody’s hands.”

“I don’t think we should ever shake hands ever again, to be honest with you. Not only would it be good to prevent coronavirus disease; it probably would decrease instances of influenza dramatically in this country,” he later added.

When asked when strict social distancing measures could be lifted Fauci said: “It isn’t like a light switch on and off, it’s a gradual pulling back on certain of the restrictions and to try and get society a bit back to normal.”

Fauci said that it might be necessary to re-evaluate the national social distancing measures that President Donald Trump has said will be in place until April 30, depending on the trajectory of the virus, but cautioned that the infrastructure to rapidly identify cases, trace contacts and isolate people needed to be in place before easing restrictions.

If you’re even going to consider a relaxation of this stringent physical separation, you absolutely have to have in place the capability,” he said. “That means easy testing, widely available, the people committed to doing the identification, isolation and contact tracing, the facilities to isolate people.”

Governments at a state at national level are rushing to get those capabilities in place, he said.

But Fauci said that by the end of April, he hopes to begin to see things normalizing: “We hope that by the end of this 30 day extension that we will start to see the light at the end of the tunnel where we can say we’re pretty confident that we can gradually start approaching some degree of normality.”


I think hand shaking is one of the stupidest customs we have. A simple hello and a little hand wave should suffice. But men like to gauge each other based on the firmness of the handshake or whatever. I was hearing it being talked about on the radio if it should be replaced with fists bumps or elbow bumps. Why is touching each other so necessary?



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09 Apr 2020, 10:27 am

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‘I Don’t Think We Should Ever Shake Hands Again.’ Dr. Fauci Says Coronavirus Should Change Some Behaviors for Good
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The coronavirus will be the end of the handshake as we know it, if Dr. Anthony Fauci has his way.

The director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, one of the leading experts in the fight against COVID-19 the U.S., told the Wall Street Journal podcast on Tuesday that when the country begins to loosen lockdown restrictions, some behaviors must change.

“When you gradually come back, you don’t jump into it with both feet,” Fauci told podcast host Kate Linebaugh on The Journal, talking about what life might look like when it eventually starts returning to normal. “You say, what are the things you could still do and still approach normal? One of them is absolute compulsive hand-washing. The other is you don’t ever shake anybody’s hands.”

“I don’t think we should ever shake hands ever again, to be honest with you. Not only would it be good to prevent coronavirus disease; it probably would decrease instances of influenza dramatically in this country,” he later added.

When asked when strict social distancing measures could be lifted Fauci said: “It isn’t like a light switch on and off, it’s a gradual pulling back on certain of the restrictions and to try and get society a bit back to normal.”

Fauci said that it might be necessary to re-evaluate the national social distancing measures that President Donald Trump has said will be in place until April 30, depending on the trajectory of the virus, but cautioned that the infrastructure to rapidly identify cases, trace contacts and isolate people needed to be in place before easing restrictions.

If you’re even going to consider a relaxation of this stringent physical separation, you absolutely have to have in place the capability,” he said. “That means easy testing, widely available, the people committed to doing the identification, isolation and contact tracing, the facilities to isolate people.”

Governments at a state at national level are rushing to get those capabilities in place, he said.

But Fauci said that by the end of April, he hopes to begin to see things normalizing: “We hope that by the end of this 30 day extension that we will start to see the light at the end of the tunnel where we can say we’re pretty confident that we can gradually start approaching some degree of normality.”


I absolutely love to hear this. I've always hated the practice of shaking hands. I've actually been a bit giddy at the thought of never having to do it again after many years of feeling obligated, nearly forced to do it. It's wonderful news and I hope the practice ceases to be an accepted greeting for the remainder of my lifetime. Can you tell that I hate shaking hands?



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09 Apr 2020, 10:28 am

We should just bow like in Asia.


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09 Apr 2020, 10:29 am

Much of the U.S. response to the coronavirus pandemic relied on the accuracy of coronavirus models. Many of these models were generated by the IHME. The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) is an independent global health research center at the University of Washington. The projection of the number of U.S. deaths from the coronavirus has shifted downward rather dramatically very quickly.

Initial projections of a 100,000 to 200,000 deaths.
As of 2 April - projected cumulative deaths = 93,531 deaths
As of 5 April - projected cumulative deaths = 81,766 deaths
As of 7 April - Cumulative death totals (US) projected by August 4, 2020 = 60,415 deaths

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The decision to implement stay at home orders in the U.S. were driven by these models. If the model's projections are wrong, then policy decisions derived from these model projections will be poor. (Both Dr. Debbie Birx and fellow task-force member Dr. Anthony Fauci said last week that the country could face between 100,000 and 200,000 total deaths from the pandemic, regardless of whether Americans continue to comply with the most stringent social distancing guidelines.)

A model's accuracy is only as good as the assumptions that are incorporated into the model. In this case one important variable was left out. That variable was the weather. More specifically the indoor relative humidity which is driven in higher latitude (>35° N) environments by outdoor temperature. As the northern hemisphere transitioned out of winter into spring, humidity levels rose into the ideal range of 40% -60% RH which decreased the ability of the coronavirus to infect new hosts.

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The COVID-19 coronavirus is emulating the winter influenza virus. The influenza appears in the late Fall and early Winter when humidity levels fall and disappear in the Spring when humidity levels rise again. That is why the IHME models are off.

At the moment the Southern Hemisphere is minimally affected by the virus. But as they slide into their late fall/winter, areas of higher latitude (>35° S), will become very vulnerable for the spread of this infection. Those regions will need to take extra precautions to keep this virus under control. STAY ALIVE, HUMIDIFY


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09 Apr 2020, 10:30 am

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We should just bow like in Asia.
There's a better idea...
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09 Apr 2020, 10:33 am

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We should just bow like in Asia.


Too formal for my taste.



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09 Apr 2020, 10:33 am

Fnord wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
We should just bow like in Asia.
There's a better idea...
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09 Apr 2020, 10:34 am

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We should just bow like in Asia.

Or we could return to this practice, which used to be quite standard and ordinary.

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09 Apr 2020, 10:38 am

EzraS wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
We should just bow like in Asia.
There's a better idea...
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